There is a disparity in Internet usage between the young and the old.
If one were to poll customers about whether or not they wanted limits and tiers on their broadband service, two things are apparent:
- Consumers overwhelmingly oppose usage caps and tiered accounts.
- Those that do approve of caps and tiers are overwhelmingly older users of the Internet, particularly 45+ of age.
Broadband providers recognize these facts, yet continue to attempt to place limits on broadband usage. Many providers’ have marketing and public relations strategies that target older customers with an “us vs. them” approach. Why should you, as a casual Internet user, “subsidize” those younger heavy users who are fully leveraging the Internet to its fullest potential? Company officials will often toss around broadband services older users have never heard of, much less used. “Bit Torrents,” “heavy movie downloads from newsgroups,” “Hulu,” just to name a few, confound a lot of casual net users who have barely mastered their e-mail account, much less considered making video calls using Skype.
The generation gap lives online too. But there is a lot more to this story than they tell you.
Some companies claim the majority of their customers consume a tiny amount of bandwidth when compared against other customers. Traditionally, the older a customer, the less bandwidth they consume. And therein lies a problem for them. As the demographics for the net continue to shift towards younger, heavier consumers of Internet applications, the writing is on the whiteboard. No longer can a broadband provider expect to pocket the enormous profits they earn from a monthly service that some users barely even use.
There should be nothing wrong with a casual user paying less for their Internet service. The question is, should they receive less expensive service at the “price” of severely curtailing other users who naturally consume more? That seems to be the marketing plan. They get to overcharge you for a casual user plan and also overcharge and limit heavier users from consuming too much on their networks. They win. Everyone else loses.
The truth is, most broadband providers already provide discounted plans for light users, usually at slower speeds, but at significantly lower pricing. For a casual user reading e-mail and browsing web pages, the Internet speed war is irrelevant. Anything more than three or four times faster than dial-up access will provide comfortable browsing without sitting around waiting for pages to load. With a “light” user plan, you can still listen to Internet radio, move pictures of the kids back and forth, do all the web browsing you could imagine, and your e-mail will still arrive super fast. Since you don’t care about big downloads or watching TV online, why pay for the extra speed you’ll never use? You don’t have to. More importantly, you don’t have to right now! Despite the fact many of these “lite” plans are the best kept secret in town, your provider probably already offers them, and you don’t have to wait for some new tier plan to sign up!
I called several providers this afternoon and inquired about Internet broadband service. Every last one of them quickly tried to sell me a bundle of services combining cable television, telephone, and Internet service for a single monthly price. No provider asked about how I used the Internet, much less talk about different levels of service. They simply wanted to move that bundle, often with a promotional price for the first six months or year of service. That bundle always included the standard package of Internet for around $40 a month, which is probably overkill for casual users.
Only when I complained about the price or suggested I didn’t think I would use the Internet that much did the “lite plan” details finally start coming into the conversation. Time Warner pitched Road Runner Lite only after saying I didn’t want the phone service and felt I wouldn’t use the Internet very often. Frontier tried to convince me that once I got online, I’d want the extra speed and resisted trying to get me into anything other than a bundle with a standard Internet plan, touting a free mini netbook if I also took their “Peace of Mind” support package and a contract. Verizon FiOS in Buffalo said it was no problem, since they sell packages of Internet service based on speed anyway. Typical. The fiber optic competitor was the only one that volunteered the light plan and asked how much I used the Internet before recommending a plan. Of course, where there is FiOS, there are no usage caps in those communities.
If you are shopping for cable modem or DSL service, they are not apt to volunteer information about their “light user” plans unless you ask.
Another way you are certain to hear about these kinds of discount plans is when you try and cancel your standard broadband service. They want to keep you as a customer, so you’ll be pitched a discount plan just to keep you.
It’s unfortunate that many broadband providers claim to be for saving light users money, but for all intents and purposes keep those plans a secret. If you are a casual user looking for a deal, buying into the proposition of tiered pricing with steep overlimit fees is a bad deal for you and everyone else. A flat rate, speed limited “lite plan” gives you everything you need, and you never have to worry that you might get billed for more than you expect. The good news is, you can get these types of plans today. Call your provider and ask!
Don’t know if this has ever been asked… but I wonder how much it costs Time Warner, et al., to manage different download speeds. Does it cost them more to establish, advertise, and manage different accounts at different speeds, than it would to just offer one carte blanche option?
Just wondering…
I wonder if Kate works for TWC judging by her letter in today’s D&C, maybe she should educate herself on these lighter tiers or switch to a dial up as she mentioned she doesn’t need or want bandwidth. Why does she even have High Speed Internet?: Pricing retreat hurts consumers Once again Sen. “Robin Hood” has ridden into town and struck down the nasty corporation, Time Warner. Thanks for nothing. I was looking forward to the opportunity to pay less for high-speed Internet service. I’m an occasional e-mailer at home after work. I don’t need or want a lot of… Read more »
Kate,
Can you link the D&C letter?
Oops! The Google is an amazing thing. I suggest others might explore its wonders and see what turns up. Kate Lyon, and I am just suggesting this is a coincidence, serves on the board of the Mary Cariola Children’s Center. Another member of that same board happens to be Terence Rafferty, President of Time Warner Cable. It’s too bad she didn’t ask him about other Road Runner options. I think what prompted this kind of letter, along with the other hostility I have seen in some of the comments on area media sites, was entirely because of Sen. Schumer’s involvement.… Read more »
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090421/OPINION03/904210309
This is the kind of person TW is hoping to “educate” or would recruit be a better word in their fight for caps. What’s sad is that they are pulling the wool over her/their eyes by not advertising/offering RR Lite as an option and it seems as though she has no clue it exists.
Nice write up Phil. My father in-law came over on Saturday and the cable cap topic came up. He said, “for someone like me it would be nice because I Don’t use the internet that much. I’d much rather pay $15 than $40.” I told him to go home and call TWC and ask about switching to their “lite” plan. He said he never heard of such a thing and I told him thats the point, they don’t tell you unless you ask. They say they want to save the “lite” user money, then offer the lite user the lite… Read more »
In these struggling days at Time Warner Cable, even the CEO had to take a pay cut of 8% leaving him with a mere $14.4 million dollar salary.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jydwajPiYQH-TzdjbbmrQtEbVPLwD97MHO3O0
Those are the people that I’d called ‘Internet Illiterate’. They don’t know what they can do with internet, and always listen whatever the salesperson says. They don’t know what internet is, what bandwidth is, what a gigabyte is. Even some TV news use water cup, cards just to illustrate how much a Gigabyte is. XD. Sadly, those group are the easiest to fool. I don’t have relative here in the states, but for those who have, please educate them in a non-TW-way (i.e. not brainwash). For us who knows better, we know that there are already tiered based system in… Read more »
We need to write a letter to the editor with these plans that are available. It looks as though you really have to write it though and mail it in. I couldn’t quickly find a web page form.
People need to know that they can pay less and they are not paying for other peoples usage. I think that is the key in this fight.
Found this pretty quickly.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/learn/hso/roadrunner
/speedpricing.html
Folks like Kate don’t go dig around the website to find information about broadband plans. They do what I did yesterday – they pick up the phone, call and ask.
That’s another major difference I’ve come to recognize among younger vs. older users. Younger folks know about The Google and do lots of price comparisons and research online. Older folks ask their friends and grab the Yellow Pages, call and ask.
That’s what I did myself yesterday, and the results were noted above.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/learn/hso/roadrunner/speedpricing.html
Here’s their breakdown of their current tiers…except their checkmarks are ridiculous.
Apparently you can’t be online with more than 1 person at a time unless you have Turbo…Also forget buying concert tickets and online auctions…
With this useless information, no wonder no one is using RRL.
Can anyone find TWC’s speed and pricing information on their website in the Rochester area? I’ve been looking but I can’t find a page like TM for Carolina. I have to log-in or sign up first before I can see anything. IF you do, can you post a link? Thanks!
I’m glad you linked this. I didn’t know they actually offer 4 not 3 different speed tiers, Lite, Basic, Standard and Turbo. Just look at the vatiety of options ALREADY AVAILABLE!
Exactly what I’m thinking. We need to get the word out to these people that TW does offer a cheaper alternative. If I could afford it I would take a full page ad in the D&C for a week advertising RR lite for TW lol.
Found this D&C Info. This would probably fit better in the Speaking Out Essay’s.
What’s your view?
All submissions must include your name, address and daytime telephone number. Limit letters to fewer than 175 words. Send to Letters to the Editor, Democrat and Chronicle, 55 Exchange Blvd., Rochester, NY 14614; e-mail dceditpage@DemocratandChronicle .com.
Speaking Out essays: Submit to dceditpage@Democratand Chronicle.com. For additional information, call (585) 258-2260 or (585) 258-2250. Fax: (585) 258-2356.
Name calling is so attractive to the people who are clueless. Guess I have to add “ever present whiner” to the list of insults.
Unfortunately, something tells me Kate doesn’t use the D&C Website… if she’s a “light” user who only checks her emails, our comments will never reach her. Time to write our own letters to the editor? 😉
I suspect you’re right.
Hi Austin: I guess the words Internet Illiterate fit but I prefer to use the words computer uneducated. The do not know how stuff works just a bunch of little switches that are either on or off 101101000101010 their 8 year old kid gladly reach into that strange box to fix something. See their kid grew up with computers in their sole the parents did not. Think of programming along time ago. Assembly code 38 lines entered manually one line at a time just to add 2 numbers together. It teached me to write assembly but it was painfully slow.… Read more »
BTW Phil thanks for the 45 plus age group. At my age I should be using no more then 20 K a month. LOL Want to see how fast I can download a 8 gig movie from the bay.
Can someone please tell me what the usage would be on a 3 mbps broadband connection, if I were to download non-stop, for 30 days, 24 hours a day straight? What’s the formula that would tell me the total GB count? Thanks.
it’s just a math… (assuming 3Mbps, not 3mbps, there is a big difference between ‘m’ and ‘M’, 3m is 3 milli, where 3M is 3 Mega or 3 million.
(3000000 Bits / second) * (30 days) * (24 hours / day) * (60 minutes / hour) * (60 seconds / minute) / (8 bits / Byte)
uh. you do own a calculator, don’t you. 🙂
uh, forget to account for the giga part, lol. just divide those number above by 1000000000 (billion)
62,208 GB?
Okay. you got me into calculating it. It’s 972 GB. not sure how you come up with 62,208 though.. press the wrong key on the calculator?
I still got the same thing. I multiplied all the digits in your first post, and then divided by a billion. But it seems you and Rick are mathmagicians and came up with the same number. Thanks to you both. I was just trying to put in perspective, in my mind, the 250 GB Comcast cap.
Don’t get your mind used to thinking about a cap or it will convince you it is good for you 🙂 or something.. lol
Not all of those numbers are supposed to be multiplied. You’re supposed to divide by 8.
Also, I’m not sure if it actually works out to 972. It depends on how everyone is counting, by 1000s or 1024s.
I see the light. That “/” has hiddenly tucked away in there! Thanks!
Ah. I apologize. I guess I thrown in too many units in a sentence. I was trying to explain how you can come up with the final result.
I guess if it was handwritten, it will be easier to read. 🙂
Hey Sampson…
I highly recommend NetMeter. I’ve been running it since April 3rd… it’s only PC specific though (which sucks because I have a home network… I need to get Tomato for that…), but it’s free, will give you projected usage, etc. It’s a handy tool.
Good luck!
I use another program, but I can’t remember the name. (I’m @ work). I think it’s called Broadband Meter 2 by Reneko or something like that. It’s REALLY good. (and free).
Hey Samson,
The answer is 949.2218 GB is “consumed” in 30 days at 3Mbps.
Number of seconds in n days = sec*min*hrs*n
60*60*24*30 = 2592000
There are 2592000 seconds in 30 days.
1Mb = 1GB/8/1024 = .000122GB
3Mb/s = .000366GB/s
(.000366GB/s)*2592000s = 949.2188GB
Thanks, Rick!
Good point Rick.
I always forget to account for the 1024 (this is because we store data in binary, e.g. a 500GB harddrive shows up as a 488.28G harddrive in Windows)
So, It’s really is 949.2188GB storage-wise.
Ill share something else as I was being send on my journey to a MSCE paper along came five days of packet annalist. If you want to come home every night with you head feelings like a rubber ball try that. Then the boss would come up with ideas for his entire team and I got to endure those back to back. I think that year I spent 2 months at RIT. Photo shop in 3 days OMG that was a bear so back to the issues. If TWC were to drop all the crap they now do packet fudging,… Read more »
That was very difficult to read.
Here’s something that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere, yet. Older people & their grandkids. Grandparents have one of the lower tiers, grandkids come over to visit, use computer, and grandparents go over cap. Bill comes, & it’s a lot more than they expected. Upset kids, parents & grandparents. Same could be said for older parents who don’t use the ‘net a lot, they get a tier that’s one of the lower ones, kids come home from college, use the ‘net at home, (and do laundry lol) and kids make parents go over their limit (This comes from personal experience. Early… Read more »
I think I use just as much as my kids. At 45 I happen to like music, movies, reading, research, games etc.
Ok T.M. what was so very difficult to read. Ill bite once but I can tell you there is a 99% chance I will not respond.
One giant paragraph that seemed to jump from topic to topic at first without paragraph breaks. I think you were commenting on cutting costs but cutting unnecessary techs on TWC’s part.
Here’s a good funny thing…..
Comcast got the boot….
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/caption-contest-its-deadbeat-tastic/
Ok T.M. Yes sometimes my typed words come out in not such great order. Having so much to say and a strong passion Im often thinking what I want to say next as im typing something else. I think they call it overload and im not the worlds best writer im far from the bottom but not anywhere near the top either. Fair enough? Peace
And T.M. ill try to be better at writing posts. At my age im not going back to RIT to learm but I guess I can slow down a little and think. The edit of ones own post or even a delete of it will come. I dont think it as easy as it looks so im sure John P will be in on it. He is very good at that kind of that stuff. Nice way of making a new friend.