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	<title>Comments on: If Your Provider Won&#8217;t Give You Real Fiber Optic Service, Google Might &#8211; Think Big With a Gig &#8211; Nominate Your Community</title>
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		<title>By: Kamaal Ahsan Majeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamaal Ahsan Majeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to NW Houston, please please please! All we have here is Comcast and U-Verse.  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to NW Houston, please please please! All we have here is Comcast and U-Verse.  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Ontario county jumped on the bandwagon leaving us poor Monroe county folks in the dust. I&#039;m pissed!!

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ontario-County-Pushes-for-Ultra-Fast-Google/sGwKwwCqWUyzAqnsVTNVQQ.cspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Ontario county jumped on the bandwagon leaving us poor Monroe county folks in the dust. I&#8217;m pissed!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ontario-County-Pushes-for-Ultra-Fast-Google/sGwKwwCqWUyzAqnsVTNVQQ.cspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ontario-County-Pushes-for-Ultra-Fast-Google/sGwKwwCqWUyzAqnsVTNVQQ.cspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cloud Windfoot Omega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloud Windfoot Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wish they would also come to Canada for testing too, would be the best. unfortunately that wont happen now will it *sigh* Internet dark ages has hit us now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wish they would also come to Canada for testing too, would be the best. unfortunately that wont happen now will it *sigh* Internet dark ages has hit us now.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith6612</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith6612</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is: Does Frontier even have the BACKBONE capacity for such a service? I don&#039;t know how much capacity their backbone and peering points have to work with but I do know that their routing to New Jersey tends to get Jittery and sometimes latency plugged some nights (20ms extra latency than normal).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is: Does Frontier even have the BACKBONE capacity for such a service? I don&#8217;t know how much capacity their backbone and peering points have to work with but I do know that their routing to New Jersey tends to get Jittery and sometimes latency plugged some nights (20ms extra latency than normal).</p>
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		<title>By: David Mandery</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mandery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be totally awesome, if Rochester could get this. Even if just certain communities in Rochester. I&#039;d want to move to that community in Rochester, if it isn&#039;t where I currently live.

Also if another city gets selected, I wonder how many people would want to move to that city, just for the 1gigabit Internet connection.

There are so many things one could do with that kind of connection. Friends that you have on the same network would basically be on your &quot;LAN&quot;, speed wise. Imagine, sharing HD video between households, distributed Media Center HD recordings (enabling sharing TV tuner resources, to avoid duplication), offsite backups made just as fast as local network. The possbilities are endless. 

This is sort of the Holy Grail of Internet (currently).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be totally awesome, if Rochester could get this. Even if just certain communities in Rochester. I&#8217;d want to move to that community in Rochester, if it isn&#8217;t where I currently live.</p>
<p>Also if another city gets selected, I wonder how many people would want to move to that city, just for the 1gigabit Internet connection.</p>
<p>There are so many things one could do with that kind of connection. Friends that you have on the same network would basically be on your &#8220;LAN&#8221;, speed wise. Imagine, sharing HD video between households, distributed Media Center HD recordings (enabling sharing TV tuner resources, to avoid duplication), offsite backups made just as fast as local network. The possbilities are endless. </p>
<p>This is sort of the Holy Grail of Internet (currently).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statements like this from Burr are the reason why Frontier still has their heads buried deeply in their nether-regions and refuse to get off from DSL...  Some of the copper lines their network is running off from were laid when the phone was a new concept.

blarg now I feel ill...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statements like this from Burr are the reason why Frontier still has their heads buried deeply in their nether-regions and refuse to get off from DSL&#8230;  Some of the copper lines their network is running off from were laid when the phone was a new concept.</p>
<p>blarg now I feel ill&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea Gigabit NIC&#039;s are pretty common nowadays so it wouldn&#039;t be a problem. My mainboard has two of them.

The bottleneck is like you mentioned, your storage medium speed. Having a fast drive will help a lot, RAM drive or a good SSD.

A couple of guys with 1Gb connections posted their download speed off of their Usenet provider. The original poster got 356.1 Mbps/44.5 MBps with a RAM drive and another got 377Mb. This is with 256 SSL on, which adds a little overhead, and there are probably slight limitations with Newsbin at those speeds as one of the developers pointed out. 

http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25516&amp;highlight=

Basically, if you have a drive that can handle 125MB/s theoretical sustained rate, you can download at 1Gb/sec, keyword here is sustained. There are some SSD&#039;s that can do that.

We can only dream right? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea Gigabit NIC&#8217;s are pretty common nowadays so it wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. My mainboard has two of them.</p>
<p>The bottleneck is like you mentioned, your storage medium speed. Having a fast drive will help a lot, RAM drive or a good SSD.</p>
<p>A couple of guys with 1Gb connections posted their download speed off of their Usenet provider. The original poster got 356.1 Mbps/44.5 MBps with a RAM drive and another got 377Mb. This is with 256 SSL on, which adds a little overhead, and there are probably slight limitations with Newsbin at those speeds as one of the developers pointed out. </p>
<p><a href="http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25516&amp;highlight=" rel="nofollow">http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25516&amp;highlight=</a></p>
<p>Basically, if you have a drive that can handle 125MB/s theoretical sustained rate, you can download at 1Gb/sec, keyword here is sustained. There are some SSD&#8217;s that can do that.</p>
<p>We can only dream right? <img src='http://stopthecap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Google has probably already hammered out the details of how to deploy a fiber network or else they wouldn&#039;t be doing this. If it wasn&#039;t cost feasible, they wouldn&#039;t even go past step 1. Google, IMO, have people that can think &quot;out-of-the-box&quot;. I hope they succeed with this because it would be a veritable slap in the face for the existing ISP&#039;s. Also, they talked about leasing out the network to others so this could be a way for them to recoup costs, I would think.

And I hate to tell her, that if Americans had that kind of speed, they would use it. To blatantly say, &quot;...most users in Rochester don’t need ultra-fast Internet access&quot;, is showing lack of foresight. Has she not seen the increase of broadband speeds over the years, especially in the past 5 years? And the new services being offered due to those increased broadband speeds? The Internet will grow and innovate even more with increased speeds.

Anyway, I would really hope that Google picks my area but compared to the rest of the nation, the odds of having my area picked out of the whole is very slim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google has probably already hammered out the details of how to deploy a fiber network or else they wouldn&#8217;t be doing this. If it wasn&#8217;t cost feasible, they wouldn&#8217;t even go past step 1. Google, IMO, have people that can think &#8220;out-of-the-box&#8221;. I hope they succeed with this because it would be a veritable slap in the face for the existing ISP&#8217;s. Also, they talked about leasing out the network to others so this could be a way for them to recoup costs, I would think.</p>
<p>And I hate to tell her, that if Americans had that kind of speed, they would use it. To blatantly say, &#8220;&#8230;most users in Rochester don’t need ultra-fast Internet access&#8221;, is showing lack of foresight. Has she not seen the increase of broadband speeds over the years, especially in the past 5 years? And the new services being offered due to those increased broadband speeds? The Internet will grow and innovate even more with increased speeds.</p>
<p>Anyway, I would really hope that Google picks my area but compared to the rest of the nation, the odds of having my area picked out of the whole is very slim.</p>
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		<title>By: PreventCAPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PreventCAPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read todays D&amp;C article (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100212/NEWS01/2120347/Will-Google-make-Rochester-s-Internet-connection-faster?&amp;referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL) and find it amusing that Frontier is downplaying the impact this could have and that TWC had no comment...

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A Frontier spokeswoman Thursday said Google has a poor track record of following through on such proposals and that creating a fiber-optic network from scratch would be enormously expensive. However, she said, Frontier would be willing to talk about leasing space on its existing network.


&quot;If Google built its own network, we estimate it would cost $5,000 per household,&quot; said Ann Burr, chairman and general manager of Frontier Communications of Rochester.
She said most users in Rochester don&#039;t need ultra-fast Internet access.

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My quesiton is if Frontier has the space on it&#039;s network to lease for 1Gbps operation, why do they insist on a 5Meg cap?

While most Rochestarians don&#039;t &quot;need&quot; ultra-fast broadband, they may &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; it. And tomorrow, they just may &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read todays D&amp;C article (<a href="http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100212/NEWS01/2120347/Will-Google-make-Rochester-s-Internet-connection-faster?&amp;referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL" rel="nofollow">http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100212/NEWS01/2120347/Will-Google-make-Rochester-s-Internet-connection-faster?&amp;referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL</a>) and find it amusing that Frontier is downplaying the impact this could have and that TWC had no comment&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>A Frontier spokeswoman Thursday said Google has a poor track record of following through on such proposals and that creating a fiber-optic network from scratch would be enormously expensive. However, she said, Frontier would be willing to talk about leasing space on its existing network.</p>
<p>&#8220;If Google built its own network, we estimate it would cost $5,000 per household,&#8221; said Ann Burr, chairman and general manager of Frontier Communications of Rochester.<br />
She said most users in Rochester don&#8217;t need ultra-fast Internet access.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>My quesiton is if Frontier has the space on it&#8217;s network to lease for 1Gbps operation, why do they insist on a 5Meg cap?</p>
<p>While most Rochestarians don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; ultra-fast broadband, they may <i>want</i> it. And tomorrow, they just may <i>need</i> it.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith6612</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith6612</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d need a Gigabit NIC and a half-decent CPU to even use Gigabit speeds. Gigabit has theoretically less overhead than Fast Ethernet has on it so it isn&#039;t as CPU intensive so to speak. It&#039;ll be more of an issue with one PC trying to download that fast. Not even my gaming machine which has some really fast spinning drives in a RAID array will handle the write speeds for long. Downloading at 128MB/s (if you can ever find a server that will go that fast) would fill up my 8GB of RAM like crazy while the drives try to keep up.

Forget wireless though. N can&#039;t go past 250-300Mbps on the downstream due to duplexing unless you have multiple radios and an expensive PCI-E adapter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d need a Gigabit NIC and a half-decent CPU to even use Gigabit speeds. Gigabit has theoretically less overhead than Fast Ethernet has on it so it isn&#8217;t as CPU intensive so to speak. It&#8217;ll be more of an issue with one PC trying to download that fast. Not even my gaming machine which has some really fast spinning drives in a RAID array will handle the write speeds for long. Downloading at 128MB/s (if you can ever find a server that will go that fast) would fill up my 8GB of RAM like crazy while the drives try to keep up.</p>
<p>Forget wireless though. N can&#8217;t go past 250-300Mbps on the downstream due to duplexing unless you have multiple radios and an expensive PCI-E adapter.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever gets the call, please let everyone else know how it went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever gets the call, please let everyone else know how it went.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone who responded.  I passed your information on to the reporter involved who will contact at least one of you for a brief interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone who responded.  I passed your information on to the reporter involved who will contact at least one of you for a brief interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking for someone in Rochester available in the next hour or so who is willing to talk to a Democrat &amp; Chronicle reporter about your feelings regarding the Google project and whether Rochester would be a good candidate city.

If interested, the phone interview would take just a few minutes.  Please send me e-mail by 3:30pm ET if interested and include a phone number where you can be reached to:

phil @ stopthecap.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking for someone in Rochester available in the next hour or so who is willing to talk to a Democrat &#038; Chronicle reporter about your feelings regarding the Google project and whether Rochester would be a good candidate city.</p>
<p>If interested, the phone interview would take just a few minutes.  Please send me e-mail by 3:30pm ET if interested and include a phone number where you can be reached to:</p>
<p>phil @ stopthecap.com</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The national broadband mapping project is supposed to be doing that already, although the watered down version we&#039;re getting is mostly based on provider data, not actual speeds measured by customers or mapping staff.

I&#039;m not sure how valuable consumer-volunteered data would be.  I suspect most will be seeking to downplay their local speeds in order to make a Google fiber project look more useful for their communities.

I still think one of the major reasons for this project is to obtain another tool in their arsenal for the public policy debate over Net Neutrality and broadband service in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The national broadband mapping project is supposed to be doing that already, although the watered down version we&#8217;re getting is mostly based on provider data, not actual speeds measured by customers or mapping staff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how valuable consumer-volunteered data would be.  I suspect most will be seeking to downplay their local speeds in order to make a Google fiber project look more useful for their communities.</p>
<p>I still think one of the major reasons for this project is to obtain another tool in their arsenal for the public policy debate over Net Neutrality and broadband service in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we would be an excellent community to give this a try. With verizon not wanting to bring fiber to Rochester, its like we are the red headed step child of New York when it comes to the internet. Here is a link to the blog that also gives a little more info:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html

I also reached out to David Mayor and 13wham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we would be an excellent community to give this a try. With verizon not wanting to bring fiber to Rochester, its like we are the red headed step child of New York when it comes to the internet. Here is a link to the blog that also gives a little more info:</p>
<p><a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html" rel="nofollow">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html</a></p>
<p>I also reached out to David Mayor and 13wham.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thru this process, Google will accumulate a FREE, large database of US broadband speeds from thousands of communities and individuals. 

Will be curious how much info that Google will share, after the RFI deadline, on how many responses that they had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thru this process, Google will accumulate a FREE, large database of US broadband speeds from thousands of communities and individuals. </p>
<p>Will be curious how much info that Google will share, after the RFI deadline, on how many responses that they had.</p>
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		<title>By: Rash</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8695</link>
		<dc:creator>Rash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, so 1 gbps would also mean you would need to have a relatively new computer to support the hight speed lan network and also if you need to go wireless, you may need the wireless lan adaptor. Cool stuff  from google</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, so 1 gbps would also mean you would need to have a relatively new computer to support the hight speed lan network and also if you need to go wireless, you may need the wireless lan adaptor. Cool stuff  from google</p>
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		<title>By: wildcat293</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8692</link>
		<dc:creator>wildcat293</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominated Rochester, I hope others also show their support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nominated Rochester, I hope others also show their support!</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8691</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start with Google themselves.  The first bold phrase you see in the article is a link to the Google site where you can nominate a community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start with Google themselves.  The first bold phrase you see in the article is a link to the Google site where you can nominate a community.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8690</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks... the spell checker changed it from Gigabit to Gigabyte on me and I was in a hurry to get this published.  I manually changed it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8230; the spell checker changed it from Gigabit to Gigabyte on me and I was in a hurry to get this published.  I manually changed it back.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8689</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that Google may do several areas, so there is some potential for multiple communities to be picked, but they&#039;d have to be relatively small in population for a widespread project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Google may do several areas, so there is some potential for multiple communities to be picked, but they&#8217;d have to be relatively small in population for a widespread project.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8688</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  A nationwide fiber optic to the home network would be the ultimate upgrade and would probably create a revolutionary jump forward for this country much the same way copper wire phone lines and power lines did 100 years ago.

If we wait around for commercial providers to do it, it will be a long wait, precisely the same way many Americans had to wait for electricity and phone service.

It will be expensive and a major investment, and take years and years to complete, but frankly it seems like a better way to spend taxpayer money than giving it to Bank of America and Goldman Sachs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  A nationwide fiber optic to the home network would be the ultimate upgrade and would probably create a revolutionary jump forward for this country much the same way copper wire phone lines and power lines did 100 years ago.</p>
<p>If we wait around for commercial providers to do it, it will be a long wait, precisely the same way many Americans had to wait for electricity and phone service.</p>
<p>It will be expensive and a major investment, and take years and years to complete, but frankly it seems like a better way to spend taxpayer money than giving it to Bank of America and Goldman Sachs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad thing is it&#039;s taken this long for a company to get the initiative to try this, what we really need is a national plan to roll this type of service out to every community in the United States until we can hit that 90-95% coverage at a fair price and an open connection available to other potential service providers.

Then Google can laugh the next time the Cable Co&#039;s or AT&amp;T makes noise about wanting to charge access fees for carrying google traffic and they come up with 4x the fees for providing transit to the last mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad thing is it&#8217;s taken this long for a company to get the initiative to try this, what we really need is a national plan to roll this type of service out to every community in the United States until we can hit that 90-95% coverage at a fair price and an open connection available to other potential service providers.</p>
<p>Then Google can laugh the next time the Cable Co&#8217;s or AT&amp;T makes noise about wanting to charge access fees for carrying google traffic and they come up with 4x the fees for providing transit to the last mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote Beaumont Texas area. Time warner and ATT colluded to put in cap limits. Google would cause a mass exodus from them both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote Beaumont Texas area. Time warner and ATT colluded to put in cap limits. Google would cause a mass exodus from them both.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8685</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are giving both sides too much credit this is politicians we are talking about here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are giving both sides too much credit this is politicians we are talking about here&#8230;</p>
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