Comments on: If Your Provider Won’t Give You Real Fiber Optic Service, Google Might – Think Big With a Gig – Nominate Your Community http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/ Promoting Better Broadband, Fighting Data Caps, Usage-Based Billing, & Other Internet Overcharging Schemes Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:06:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kamaal Ahsan Majeed http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8756 Kamaal Ahsan Majeed Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:28:33 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8756 Come to NW Houston, please please please! All we have here is Comcast and U-Verse. : ) Come to NW Houston, please please please! All we have here is Comcast and U-Verse. : )

]]> By: Rob http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8755 Rob Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:06:27 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8755 It looks like Ontario county jumped on the bandwagon leaving us poor Monroe county folks in the dust. I'm pissed!! http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ontario-County-Pushes-for-Ultra-Fast-Google/sGwKwwCqWUyzAqnsVTNVQQ.cspx It looks like Ontario county jumped on the bandwagon leaving us poor Monroe county folks in the dust. I’m pissed!!

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ontario-County-Pushes-for-Ultra-Fast-Google/sGwKwwCqWUyzAqnsVTNVQQ.cspx

]]> By: Cloud Windfoot Omega http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8745 Cloud Windfoot Omega Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:54:04 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8745 wish they would also come to Canada for testing too, would be the best. unfortunately that wont happen now will it *sigh* Internet dark ages has hit us now. wish they would also come to Canada for testing too, would be the best. unfortunately that wont happen now will it *sigh* Internet dark ages has hit us now.

]]> By: Smith6612 http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8724 Smith6612 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:27:15 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8724 The real question is: Does Frontier even have the BACKBONE capacity for such a service? I don't know how much capacity their backbone and peering points have to work with but I do know that their routing to New Jersey tends to get Jittery and sometimes latency plugged some nights (20ms extra latency than normal). The real question is: Does Frontier even have the BACKBONE capacity for such a service? I don’t know how much capacity their backbone and peering points have to work with but I do know that their routing to New Jersey tends to get Jittery and sometimes latency plugged some nights (20ms extra latency than normal).

]]> By: David Mandery http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8722 David Mandery Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:45:08 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8722 This would be totally awesome, if Rochester could get this. Even if just certain communities in Rochester. I'd want to move to that community in Rochester, if it isn't where I currently live. Also if another city gets selected, I wonder how many people would want to move to that city, just for the 1gigabit Internet connection. There are so many things one could do with that kind of connection. Friends that you have on the same network would basically be on your "LAN", speed wise. Imagine, sharing HD video between households, distributed Media Center HD recordings (enabling sharing TV tuner resources, to avoid duplication), offsite backups made just as fast as local network. The possbilities are endless. This is sort of the Holy Grail of Internet (currently). This would be totally awesome, if Rochester could get this. Even if just certain communities in Rochester. I’d want to move to that community in Rochester, if it isn’t where I currently live.

Also if another city gets selected, I wonder how many people would want to move to that city, just for the 1gigabit Internet connection.

There are so many things one could do with that kind of connection. Friends that you have on the same network would basically be on your “LAN”, speed wise. Imagine, sharing HD video between households, distributed Media Center HD recordings (enabling sharing TV tuner resources, to avoid duplication), offsite backups made just as fast as local network. The possbilities are endless.

This is sort of the Holy Grail of Internet (currently).

]]> By: Paul http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8721 Paul Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:42:43 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8721 Statements like this from Burr are the reason why Frontier still has their heads buried deeply in their nether-regions and refuse to get off from DSL... Some of the copper lines their network is running off from were laid when the phone was a new concept. blarg now I feel ill... Statements like this from Burr are the reason why Frontier still has their heads buried deeply in their nether-regions and refuse to get off from DSL… Some of the copper lines their network is running off from were laid when the phone was a new concept.

blarg now I feel ill…

]]> By: Tim http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8720 Tim Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:42:14 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8720 Yea Gigabit NIC's are pretty common nowadays so it wouldn't be a problem. My mainboard has two of them. The bottleneck is like you mentioned, your storage medium speed. Having a fast drive will help a lot, RAM drive or a good SSD. A couple of guys with 1Gb connections posted their download speed off of their Usenet provider. The original poster got 356.1 Mbps/44.5 MBps with a RAM drive and another got 377Mb. This is with 256 SSL on, which adds a little overhead, and there are probably slight limitations with Newsbin at those speeds as one of the developers pointed out. http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25516&highlight= Basically, if you have a drive that can handle 125MB/s theoretical sustained rate, you can download at 1Gb/sec, keyword here is sustained. There are some SSD's that can do that. We can only dream right? :-) Yea Gigabit NIC’s are pretty common nowadays so it wouldn’t be a problem. My mainboard has two of them.

The bottleneck is like you mentioned, your storage medium speed. Having a fast drive will help a lot, RAM drive or a good SSD.

A couple of guys with 1Gb connections posted their download speed off of their Usenet provider. The original poster got 356.1 Mbps/44.5 MBps with a RAM drive and another got 377Mb. This is with 256 SSL on, which adds a little overhead, and there are probably slight limitations with Newsbin at those speeds as one of the developers pointed out.

http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25516&highlight=

Basically, if you have a drive that can handle 125MB/s theoretical sustained rate, you can download at 1Gb/sec, keyword here is sustained. There are some SSD’s that can do that.

We can only dream right? :-)

]]> By: Tim http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8719 Tim Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:27:09 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8719 I think Google has probably already hammered out the details of how to deploy a fiber network or else they wouldn't be doing this. If it wasn't cost feasible, they wouldn't even go past step 1. Google, IMO, have people that can think "out-of-the-box". I hope they succeed with this because it would be a veritable slap in the face for the existing ISP's. Also, they talked about leasing out the network to others so this could be a way for them to recoup costs, I would think. And I hate to tell her, that if Americans had that kind of speed, they would use it. To blatantly say, "...most users in Rochester don’t need ultra-fast Internet access", is showing lack of foresight. Has she not seen the increase of broadband speeds over the years, especially in the past 5 years? And the new services being offered due to those increased broadband speeds? The Internet will grow and innovate even more with increased speeds. Anyway, I would really hope that Google picks my area but compared to the rest of the nation, the odds of having my area picked out of the whole is very slim. I think Google has probably already hammered out the details of how to deploy a fiber network or else they wouldn’t be doing this. If it wasn’t cost feasible, they wouldn’t even go past step 1. Google, IMO, have people that can think “out-of-the-box”. I hope they succeed with this because it would be a veritable slap in the face for the existing ISP’s. Also, they talked about leasing out the network to others so this could be a way for them to recoup costs, I would think.

And I hate to tell her, that if Americans had that kind of speed, they would use it. To blatantly say, “…most users in Rochester don’t need ultra-fast Internet access”, is showing lack of foresight. Has she not seen the increase of broadband speeds over the years, especially in the past 5 years? And the new services being offered due to those increased broadband speeds? The Internet will grow and innovate even more with increased speeds.

Anyway, I would really hope that Google picks my area but compared to the rest of the nation, the odds of having my area picked out of the whole is very slim.

]]> By: PreventCAPS http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8718 PreventCAPS Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:07:34 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8718 I read todays D&C article (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100212/NEWS01/2120347/Will-Google-make-Rochester-s-Internet-connection-faster?&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL) and find it amusing that Frontier is downplaying the impact this could have and that TWC had no comment... ------ A Frontier spokeswoman Thursday said Google has a poor track record of following through on such proposals and that creating a fiber-optic network from scratch would be enormously expensive. However, she said, Frontier would be willing to talk about leasing space on its existing network. "If Google built its own network, we estimate it would cost $5,000 per household," said Ann Burr, chairman and general manager of Frontier Communications of Rochester. She said most users in Rochester don't need ultra-fast Internet access. ------ My quesiton is if Frontier has the space on it's network to lease for 1Gbps operation, why do they insist on a 5Meg cap? While most Rochestarians don't "need" ultra-fast broadband, they may <i>want</i> it. And tomorrow, they just may <i>need</i> it. I read todays D&C article (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100212/NEWS01/2120347/Will-Google-make-Rochester-s-Internet-connection-faster?&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL) and find it amusing that Frontier is downplaying the impact this could have and that TWC had no comment…

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A Frontier spokeswoman Thursday said Google has a poor track record of following through on such proposals and that creating a fiber-optic network from scratch would be enormously expensive. However, she said, Frontier would be willing to talk about leasing space on its existing network.

“If Google built its own network, we estimate it would cost $5,000 per household,” said Ann Burr, chairman and general manager of Frontier Communications of Rochester.
She said most users in Rochester don’t need ultra-fast Internet access.

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My quesiton is if Frontier has the space on it’s network to lease for 1Gbps operation, why do they insist on a 5Meg cap?

While most Rochestarians don’t “need” ultra-fast broadband, they may want it. And tomorrow, they just may need it.

]]> By: Smith6612 http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/10/if-your-provider-wont-give-you-real-fiber-optic-service-google-might-think-big-with-a-gig-nominate-your-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8708 Smith6612 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:48:17 +0000 http://stopthecap.com/?p=7677#comment-8708 You'd need a Gigabit NIC and a half-decent CPU to even use Gigabit speeds. Gigabit has theoretically less overhead than Fast Ethernet has on it so it isn't as CPU intensive so to speak. It'll be more of an issue with one PC trying to download that fast. Not even my gaming machine which has some really fast spinning drives in a RAID array will handle the write speeds for long. Downloading at 128MB/s (if you can ever find a server that will go that fast) would fill up my 8GB of RAM like crazy while the drives try to keep up. Forget wireless though. N can't go past 250-300Mbps on the downstream due to duplexing unless you have multiple radios and an expensive PCI-E adapter. You’d need a Gigabit NIC and a half-decent CPU to even use Gigabit speeds. Gigabit has theoretically less overhead than Fast Ethernet has on it so it isn’t as CPU intensive so to speak. It’ll be more of an issue with one PC trying to download that fast. Not even my gaming machine which has some really fast spinning drives in a RAID array will handle the write speeds for long. Downloading at 128MB/s (if you can ever find a server that will go that fast) would fill up my 8GB of RAM like crazy while the drives try to keep up.

Forget wireless though. N can’t go past 250-300Mbps on the downstream due to duplexing unless you have multiple radios and an expensive PCI-E adapter.

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