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		<title>By: Don’t Tell Me I Waste Time Playing Video Games &#124; Superstars Of Gaming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don’t Tell Me I Waste Time Playing Video Games &#124; Superstars Of Gaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ron Dafoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Dafoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - not to mention al of the other MMO games or FPS games out there.  There are also a tom of flash based game sites.  Disney has 2 MMOs right now - Pirates of the Carribean and ToonTown.

There are literally hundreds of MMOs.  On top of that, all the people that are playing Flacebook games at this point in time.  Or keeping their pictures updated on Facebook/MySpace or whatever.

Online e-mail is a big thing to.  I just moved all my mail to gmail, as I was tired of trying to save it all if I want to wipe out my computer.  People are realizing it is alot easy for an online site like google, MS, or Yahoo to keep their mail (now that they offer large storage) than it is to pay someone to move thier mail to the new computer they just got.

There are even people that do not equate checking their mail as using the internet.  The internet is &quot;The Web&quot; to them.  If I check my mail in Windows Mail, I am not suing the internet.  When I send this 5Mb mail message fill of photos, I am not downloading anything so it doesn&#039;t count!  I have heard this all.

People have thought the same thing for ages.  There once was a time, before broadband and always connected computers when the average person knew when they connected to the internet.  A box came up and told them becuase they had to dial a modem to get there, and there was that familiar modem sounds that came from the computer.  People knew that the computer was not talking to the internet, unless they TOLD it to.

That is not the case anymore, and there is no one to blame but the broadband companies themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; not to mention al of the other MMO games or FPS games out there.  There are also a tom of flash based game sites.  Disney has 2 MMOs right now &#8211; Pirates of the Carribean and ToonTown.</p>
<p>There are literally hundreds of MMOs.  On top of that, all the people that are playing Flacebook games at this point in time.  Or keeping their pictures updated on Facebook/MySpace or whatever.</p>
<p>Online e-mail is a big thing to.  I just moved all my mail to gmail, as I was tired of trying to save it all if I want to wipe out my computer.  People are realizing it is alot easy for an online site like google, MS, or Yahoo to keep their mail (now that they offer large storage) than it is to pay someone to move thier mail to the new computer they just got.</p>
<p>There are even people that do not equate checking their mail as using the internet.  The internet is &#8220;The Web&#8221; to them.  If I check my mail in Windows Mail, I am not suing the internet.  When I send this 5Mb mail message fill of photos, I am not downloading anything so it doesn&#8217;t count!  I have heard this all.</p>
<p>People have thought the same thing for ages.  There once was a time, before broadband and always connected computers when the average person knew when they connected to the internet.  A box came up and told them becuase they had to dial a modem to get there, and there was that familiar modem sounds that came from the computer.  People knew that the computer was not talking to the internet, unless they TOLD it to.</p>
<p>That is not the case anymore, and there is no one to blame but the broadband companies themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you think you are so smart, who defines who is the &quot;average&quot; person, you? You come off as a know it all and an arrogant &quot;loon&quot;. And who says what I do isn&#039;t average, you? I am tired of people like you telling me I use too much when you have absolutely no idea of how much I use or what I do. Average and excessive are terms that can be subjective and relative. 

And by the way, that is just one game he was talking about and it had 4 million users for 1 game! There are thousands of online games my friend with millions of online gamers. 4 million is just a drop in a bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you think you are so smart, who defines who is the &#8220;average&#8221; person, you? You come off as a know it all and an arrogant &#8220;loon&#8221;. And who says what I do isn&#8217;t average, you? I am tired of people like you telling me I use too much when you have absolutely no idea of how much I use or what I do. Average and excessive are terms that can be subjective and relative. </p>
<p>And by the way, that is just one game he was talking about and it had 4 million users for 1 game! There are thousands of online games my friend with millions of online gamers. 4 million is just a drop in a bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if these numbers are an accurate representation of how much time people spend on the Internet, you assume that usage is going to stay static across the board for years to come.  Online video streaming of HD is still new. It was only this year that Netflix and other services started offering streaming services. Also, this entails only video only. It doesn&#039;t include online gaming or other activities that rack up data. Just this year, there was a report that stated the average gamer used 60GB/month and you implied that 40GB sounds reasonable, ok. Personally, I hope they don&#039;t implement a cap that you are so readily to accept for some odd reason. In the end, it will stifle innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if these numbers are an accurate representation of how much time people spend on the Internet, you assume that usage is going to stay static across the board for years to come.  Online video streaming of HD is still new. It was only this year that Netflix and other services started offering streaming services. Also, this entails only video only. It doesn&#8217;t include online gaming or other activities that rack up data. Just this year, there was a report that stated the average gamer used 60GB/month and you implied that 40GB sounds reasonable, ok. Personally, I hope they don&#8217;t implement a cap that you are so readily to accept for some odd reason. In the end, it will stifle innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Dafoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Dafoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The average adult has no idea how much internet their families use.  Now double that number for 2 adults in the house.  

The average adult - I believe - does not want to police how much internet is being used in their house either.  Why do you think that cell phone companies now have unlimited minute plans?

Take the 4 hours and 22 minutes and double that for each child.

A family does not have 1 internet access account per member of the family.

People equate Internet Explorer to the internet.  That is a fact.  They do not realize that almost every single application today every time you open it goes and talks to the manufacterer.  Parents do not equate game systems as using their internet connection and may not even know how much their children use the internet.  Not to mention iPhones and ITouch.

So, I say it again- the AVERAGE user has no idea how much they actually use the internet, much less their entire family.

If caps are implemented, they quickly will.  TWC own data claimed that about 14% of their trial users in a small city went over their caps and paid on average of about $20 more.

14% of their users.  Think about that.  The city has a population of about 114,000 people.

I know 250Gb is alot of content.  That is one of the reasons that Comcast generally gets a pass in my book until they change their policy.  At some point in time, I think they will.

Of course, here were I live, TWC and Frontier at the only people in town.  We know what they think is acceptable use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average adult has no idea how much internet their families use.  Now double that number for 2 adults in the house.  </p>
<p>The average adult &#8211; I believe &#8211; does not want to police how much internet is being used in their house either.  Why do you think that cell phone companies now have unlimited minute plans?</p>
<p>Take the 4 hours and 22 minutes and double that for each child.</p>
<p>A family does not have 1 internet access account per member of the family.</p>
<p>People equate Internet Explorer to the internet.  That is a fact.  They do not realize that almost every single application today every time you open it goes and talks to the manufacterer.  Parents do not equate game systems as using their internet connection and may not even know how much their children use the internet.  Not to mention iPhones and ITouch.</p>
<p>So, I say it again- the AVERAGE user has no idea how much they actually use the internet, much less their entire family.</p>
<p>If caps are implemented, they quickly will.  TWC own data claimed that about 14% of their trial users in a small city went over their caps and paid on average of about $20 more.</p>
<p>14% of their users.  Think about that.  The city has a population of about 114,000 people.</p>
<p>I know 250Gb is alot of content.  That is one of the reasons that Comcast generally gets a pass in my book until they change their policy.  At some point in time, I think they will.</p>
<p>Of course, here were I live, TWC and Frontier at the only people in town.  We know what they think is acceptable use.</p>
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		<title>By: Loons in June!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loons in June!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;22 minutes of watching online video? 4 hours online? Where do these numbers come from?&quot;

They come from a survey of average people! These average people do not read Stop the Cap or Dslreports, they do not spend every waking minute at the computer..they are the average consumer. Don&#039;t confuse your habits with everyone else.

&quot;World of Warcraft has OVER 4 million subscribers in the US&quot;

There are around 217 million adults in the USA, this means 213 million people are not subscribing to WOW. See my point?

&quot;I really wish people would stop claiming they know how much time the average person spends on the internet. They don’t – becuase the average person doesn’t know.&quot;

I really wish the non average people would stop telling average people what they know or do not know.

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;22 minutes of watching online video? 4 hours online? Where do these numbers come from?&#8221;</p>
<p>They come from a survey of average people! These average people do not read Stop the Cap or Dslreports, they do not spend every waking minute at the computer..they are the average consumer. Don&#8217;t confuse your habits with everyone else.</p>
<p>&#8220;World of Warcraft has OVER 4 million subscribers in the US&#8221;</p>
<p>There are around 217 million adults in the USA, this means 213 million people are not subscribing to WOW. See my point?</p>
<p>&#8220;I really wish people would stop claiming they know how much time the average person spends on the internet. They don’t – becuase the average person doesn’t know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really wish the non average people would stop telling average people what they know or do not know.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Dafoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Dafoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people spend alot more than that time on the internet.

22 minutes of watching online video?  4 hours online? Where do these numbers come from?

Is playing a game on xbox 360 counting that?  Probably not.  If they did a survey of people, I gaurantee you that most people with boadband do not even know when they are using the internet and when they are not.  The number is  probably a &quot;when my Internet Explorer is opened.&quot;

Forget about all the other applications that access the internet on a regular basis on your computer or any of the other devices that are connected to the home network.  Everytime you turn on your connected Xbox 360 or Wii, it connectes to the internet.  Everytime you browse the Xbox 360 selection of available games or movies.

I am willing to bet, most people are not even counting playing video games.  World of Warcraft has OVER 4 million subscribers in the US.  That is only 1 online video game.  On average, they spend way more than 4 hours just playing that game.

Almost every game has an online component now.  Services like Steam and Direct2Drive are getting more popular as software is not available locally for the PC anymore.

DirectTV has Video On Demand that uses your broadband connection to deliver movies.  I am willing to bet, that most people do not even count &quot;purchasing&quot; a Video on Demand movie as using the internet.

Anyone who has an iTouch is using their internet most likely.  Even people with iPhones may use their internet and not really understand what it is.

I really wish people would stop claiming they know how much time the average person spends on the internet.  They don&#039;t - becuase the average person doesn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people spend alot more than that time on the internet.</p>
<p>22 minutes of watching online video?  4 hours online? Where do these numbers come from?</p>
<p>Is playing a game on xbox 360 counting that?  Probably not.  If they did a survey of people, I gaurantee you that most people with boadband do not even know when they are using the internet and when they are not.  The number is  probably a &#8220;when my Internet Explorer is opened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forget about all the other applications that access the internet on a regular basis on your computer or any of the other devices that are connected to the home network.  Everytime you turn on your connected Xbox 360 or Wii, it connectes to the internet.  Everytime you browse the Xbox 360 selection of available games or movies.</p>
<p>I am willing to bet, most people are not even counting playing video games.  World of Warcraft has OVER 4 million subscribers in the US.  That is only 1 online video game.  On average, they spend way more than 4 hours just playing that game.</p>
<p>Almost every game has an online component now.  Services like Steam and Direct2Drive are getting more popular as software is not available locally for the PC anymore.</p>
<p>DirectTV has Video On Demand that uses your broadband connection to deliver movies.  I am willing to bet, that most people do not even count &#8220;purchasing&#8221; a Video on Demand movie as using the internet.</p>
<p>Anyone who has an iTouch is using their internet most likely.  Even people with iPhones may use their internet and not really understand what it is.</p>
<p>I really wish people would stop claiming they know how much time the average person spends on the internet.  They don&#8217;t &#8211; becuase the average person doesn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Dafoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Dafoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meters are the next step to a hard cap.  Don&#039;t think for one minute that all the the change in direction from Comcast and meters coming out at the same time is not related.

From what I remember, Comcast has not been a problem really becuase it is considered a soft cap and it is really high.  This is the next step.  They are now looking to be a provider of content, not just the distributer.  

Things will change in the Comcast world of broadband.  It may take a little while, but meters is jus the start of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meters are the next step to a hard cap.  Don&#8217;t think for one minute that all the the change in direction from Comcast and meters coming out at the same time is not related.</p>
<p>From what I remember, Comcast has not been a problem really becuase it is considered a soft cap and it is really high.  This is the next step.  They are now looking to be a provider of content, not just the distributer.  </p>
<p>Things will change in the Comcast world of broadband.  It may take a little while, but meters is jus the start of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>independent third party? Good luck on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>independent third party? Good luck on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before there were meters - everyone was up in arms because no one knew what their consumption looked like. Now that there are meters that are being evaluated by an independent third party, everyone complains....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before there were meters &#8211; everyone was up in arms because no one knew what their consumption looked like. Now that there are meters that are being evaluated by an independent third party, everyone complains&#8230;.</p>
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