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	<title>Comments on: AT&amp;T: Online Videogaming is An &#8216;Aspirational Service&#8217; &#8211; Shouldn&#8217;t Be Considered When Defining Broadband</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO!  I just love that this AT&amp;T marketing site chose to quote Stop The Cap!  Do they even check their sources?  Oh well....happy clicking consumers and welcome to Stop The Cap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO!  I just love that this AT&amp;T marketing site chose to quote Stop The Cap!  Do they even check their sources?  Oh well&#8230;.happy clicking consumers and welcome to Stop The Cap!</p>
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		<title>By: kestrelmas</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/09/15/att-online-videogaming-is-an-aspirational-service-shouldnt-be-considered-when-defining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator>kestrelmas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t blame you...after the &lt;a href=&quot;http://stopthecap.com/2009/08/26/broadband-usage-caps-just-switch-providers-george-out-of-touch-with-reality-ou-misinforms-again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last round of reading his comments&lt;/a&gt;, the man (George) gave me a headache from attempting to locate anything approaching a point in his comments.  Not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame you&#8230;after the <a href="http://stopthecap.com/2009/08/26/broadband-usage-caps-just-switch-providers-george-out-of-touch-with-reality-ou-misinforms-again/" rel="nofollow">last round of reading his comments</a>, the man (George) gave me a headache from attempting to locate anything approaching a point in his comments.  Not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it amusing that on the same day I read that AT&amp;T considers streaming video to be an &quot;aspirational broadband service&quot; that the IRS features a handful of streaming videos regarding tax law and that over on flu.gov, you can review streaming &quot;video briefs&quot; regarding H1N1.  Meanwhile, over the army&#039;s recruitment web site, there are streaming videos available talking about the army as a career and information for parents with children considering the military.

It takes zero effort to see how the government is embracing &quot;aspirational broadband services&quot; as a way to get news and information out to the public.  It also takes zero effort to see how AT&amp;T will fight as hard as they can to define broadband services as the slowest possible service they can provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it amusing that on the same day I read that AT&amp;T considers streaming video to be an &#8220;aspirational broadband service&#8221; that the IRS features a handful of streaming videos regarding tax law and that over on flu.gov, you can review streaming &#8220;video briefs&#8221; regarding H1N1.  Meanwhile, over the army&#8217;s recruitment web site, there are streaming videos available talking about the army as a career and information for parents with children considering the military.</p>
<p>It takes zero effort to see how the government is embracing &#8220;aspirational broadband services&#8221; as a way to get news and information out to the public.  It also takes zero effort to see how AT&amp;T will fight as hard as they can to define broadband services as the slowest possible service they can provide.</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Phillip, but honestly, I think there are too many layers in that thread, and I just don&#039;t feel like talking to George anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phillip, but honestly, I think there are too many layers in that thread, and I just don&#8217;t feel like talking to George anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/09/15/att-online-videogaming-is-an-aspirational-service-shouldnt-be-considered-when-defining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-6329</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wish to cut and paste your comment, I can delete the redundant one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wish to cut and paste your comment, I can delete the redundant one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Dafoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Dafoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree.  George is clouding the topic here.  IMO, the real topic is what should be considered broadband.  IMO, anything under 3 down and 256 up should not be considered broadband at all and providers should not be calling themselves that.  Comeup with some other crappy name for it, slowband or notenoughband or something.  I am sure they can come up with something to confuse the general public, ala TV manufacturerers with all the the crap they pulled with HD TVs.

We can&#039;t have providers calling 128k or 256k broadband, it just isn&#039;t in today&#039;s age.  That would be like calling a 22&quot; LCD a large screen TV, it just doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree.  George is clouding the topic here.  IMO, the real topic is what should be considered broadband.  IMO, anything under 3 down and 256 up should not be considered broadband at all and providers should not be calling themselves that.  Comeup with some other crappy name for it, slowband or notenoughband or something.  I am sure they can come up with something to confuse the general public, ala TV manufacturerers with all the the crap they pulled with HD TVs.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t have providers calling 128k or 256k broadband, it just isn&#8217;t in today&#8217;s age.  That would be like calling a 22&#8243; LCD a large screen TV, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Madigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Madigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet service does not work in 15 minute blocks. If I downloaded something from a fast site (say, Microsoft) at 10MBps for 15 minutes, I should get ping times of greater than 3 seconds because I &quot;used too much&quot;. The network can easily control the speed of the 10MBps connection to whatever it can handle.

Games like WoW actually work a little like VOIP, they need low bandwidth and low latency. In fact, playing WoW on a sprint card would probably work so long as that&#039;s all you did on it. 4 hours of game play generates less than 50MB of traffic.

Network applications are built around assumptions that the connection will stay relatively stable. If using a &quot;too much&quot; for 15 minutes will cause a penalty, a lot of software won&#039;t be able to handle it. If I&#039;m watching Netflix, it better work for more than 15 minutes.

And no, Google should not have to pay AT&amp;T. I pay for access and a certain speed. Google pays for a certain speed and a certain amount of transfer. Charging someone because their packets are going over your wires (even though they&#039;re someone else&#039;s customer, not yours) is just a laughably bad idea.

Rather than trying to squeeze blood from a stone, AT&amp;T should starting adding new tiers of higher speeds for consumers at premium rates. They&#039;ll pay $100/month if you offer them 100 MBps.

The ultimate solution to these problems is technical, not financial. Rather than charging for latency, create protocols that allow the network to determine what priority a packet needs to be assigned. HTTP doesn&#039;t need a 10ms round-trip time, games and voip(?) probably do. Video streaming falls somewhere in the middle, it needs to get to the target before the buffer runs out.

Finally, no, satellite isn&#039;t broadband. Satellite internet belongs the same place as satellite phones - out in the wilderness where no other connection is available. Even for VOIP applications, a 1 second turn-around is noticeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet service does not work in 15 minute blocks. If I downloaded something from a fast site (say, Microsoft) at 10MBps for 15 minutes, I should get ping times of greater than 3 seconds because I &#8220;used too much&#8221;. The network can easily control the speed of the 10MBps connection to whatever it can handle.</p>
<p>Games like WoW actually work a little like VOIP, they need low bandwidth and low latency. In fact, playing WoW on a sprint card would probably work so long as that&#8217;s all you did on it. 4 hours of game play generates less than 50MB of traffic.</p>
<p>Network applications are built around assumptions that the connection will stay relatively stable. If using a &#8220;too much&#8221; for 15 minutes will cause a penalty, a lot of software won&#8217;t be able to handle it. If I&#8217;m watching Netflix, it better work for more than 15 minutes.</p>
<p>And no, Google should not have to pay AT&amp;T. I pay for access and a certain speed. Google pays for a certain speed and a certain amount of transfer. Charging someone because their packets are going over your wires (even though they&#8217;re someone else&#8217;s customer, not yours) is just a laughably bad idea.</p>
<p>Rather than trying to squeeze blood from a stone, AT&amp;T should starting adding new tiers of higher speeds for consumers at premium rates. They&#8217;ll pay $100/month if you offer them 100 MBps.</p>
<p>The ultimate solution to these problems is technical, not financial. Rather than charging for latency, create protocols that allow the network to determine what priority a packet needs to be assigned. HTTP doesn&#8217;t need a 10ms round-trip time, games and voip(?) probably do. Video streaming falls somewhere in the middle, it needs to get to the target before the buffer runs out.</p>
<p>Finally, no, satellite isn&#8217;t broadband. Satellite internet belongs the same place as satellite phones &#8211; out in the wilderness where no other connection is available. Even for VOIP applications, a 1 second turn-around is noticeable.</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I replied to the wrong comment, Philip. I don&#039;t think that I could find argument with you.  I&#039;d delete and repost, but I&#039;m no longer at the same computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I replied to the wrong comment, Philip. I don&#8217;t think that I could find argument with you.  I&#8217;d delete and repost, but I&#8217;m no longer at the same computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AT&amp;T DSL sucks but he said Fiber to the node which only means Uverse. 

They always have free installation promotions and they always have rebates or cash back. We didn&#039;t have an issue getting our $200 rebate. It only took a month. 

The Time Warner service in my area only offers speeds up to 10Mb/sec not 15Mb/sec. If they had that, I might of stuck with Time Warner or made me think twice about switching  to Uverse. The real kicker for me was the upload speed. Time Warner, even on the elite plan, offers 512Kb/s max while Uverse is 1.5Mb/sec. I went with 12/1.5 because that was the minimum for the 1.5Mb/sec. They do offer a 18/1.5 but I really don&#039;t need 18Mb.

They are trying to stay relevant. However, they are only putting off the inevitable. Eventually, they will have to do what Verizon is doing and run fiber to the home to compete because cable companies aren&#039;t going to sit idly by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AT&amp;T DSL sucks but he said Fiber to the node which only means Uverse. </p>
<p>They always have free installation promotions and they always have rebates or cash back. We didn&#8217;t have an issue getting our $200 rebate. It only took a month. </p>
<p>The Time Warner service in my area only offers speeds up to 10Mb/sec not 15Mb/sec. If they had that, I might of stuck with Time Warner or made me think twice about switching  to Uverse. The real kicker for me was the upload speed. Time Warner, even on the elite plan, offers 512Kb/s max while Uverse is 1.5Mb/sec. I went with 12/1.5 because that was the minimum for the 1.5Mb/sec. They do offer a 18/1.5 but I really don&#8217;t need 18Mb.</p>
<p>They are trying to stay relevant. However, they are only putting off the inevitable. Eventually, they will have to do what Verizon is doing and run fiber to the home to compete because cable companies aren&#8217;t going to sit idly by.</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, you know more about how the internet works than I ever could, and you like to use it against people like me.

I&#039;m going to stop arguing with you. Please don&#039;t count this as a victory, because the only reason I am not going to argue further is because you make too many points for me to research and rebut it the short time that I have before I must leave for work.  This actually is your job, so you can talk all day about it and not get worries that you&#039;ll get fired,  but some of us  are actual consumers, who have real life jobs.

If I thought I had a shot at changing your mind, I might make the extreme effort, but I know that as long as your are getting paid to say what you say, I shouldn&#039;t bother.

In then end, all I know is that left to their own devices, the ISPs would take as much money as possible for the same or less service than they provide now.  I really like speed, but I like uncapped internet more.  If my ISP starts capping and there isn&#039;t an alternative broadband provider by that time, I for one, am going back to dialup.  Please don&#039;t take this is a concession that dial up is in some way &quot;competing&quot; with TWC.

I am one of those small business employees whose very company&#039;s existence relies both on the existence of the internet, and on normal every day internet users ability to get to our website.  I will survive just fine without internet at home, but if everyone drops, I&#039;ll be just another unemployed schmuck with a mortgage I can&#039;t afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, you know more about how the internet works than I ever could, and you like to use it against people like me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to stop arguing with you. Please don&#8217;t count this as a victory, because the only reason I am not going to argue further is because you make too many points for me to research and rebut it the short time that I have before I must leave for work.  This actually is your job, so you can talk all day about it and not get worries that you&#8217;ll get fired,  but some of us  are actual consumers, who have real life jobs.</p>
<p>If I thought I had a shot at changing your mind, I might make the extreme effort, but I know that as long as your are getting paid to say what you say, I shouldn&#8217;t bother.</p>
<p>In then end, all I know is that left to their own devices, the ISPs would take as much money as possible for the same or less service than they provide now.  I really like speed, but I like uncapped internet more.  If my ISP starts capping and there isn&#8217;t an alternative broadband provider by that time, I for one, am going back to dialup.  Please don&#8217;t take this is a concession that dial up is in some way &#8220;competing&#8221; with TWC.</p>
<p>I am one of those small business employees whose very company&#8217;s existence relies both on the existence of the internet, and on normal every day internet users ability to get to our website.  I will survive just fine without internet at home, but if everyone drops, I&#8217;ll be just another unemployed schmuck with a mortgage I can&#8217;t afford.</p>
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