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	<title>Comments on: One Year After Imposing 250GB Cap, Comcast Customers Still In The Dark About Their Usage</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet access is a utility, just like power, cable tv, or phone service and it needs to be treated as such.  Pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet access is a utility, just like power, cable tv, or phone service and it needs to be treated as such.  Pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Glockner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Glockner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with your argument is that there&#039;s no concrete definition of &quot;excessive use&quot;. Is downloading HD content excessive use? How about setting up a PC for remote access? What about using your internet connection for VOIP or video chat? What about downloading a Linux distribution? Or uploading a set of videos or an entire photo shoot?

As an interesting contrast, I purchased one of the first prepaid 3G devices from Virgin Mobile USA. Unlike traditional 3G data service, you pay for data by the MB (or GB). There&#039;s no cap. When you exhaust your GB, you buy another pack. This is perfect for me since I don&#039;t use it often, but when I do, I use it heavily.

My goals for ISPs are:

1) Be upfront and honest about the bandwidth and the costs. Tell me what I&#039;m getting and how much it&#039;s going to cost. A &quot;new customer&quot;  rate is great, but tell us the regular rate in clear print. (I know that rates may go up and plans may change, but at least tell us what the current rate is).
2) No hard caps. Period. Warn me if I&#039;m getting close to some limit, and tell me what it will cost me to exceed it.
3) Let me run any service and upload/download any content up to my contracted bandwidth so long as I&#039;m not exceeding my limits and so long as I&#039;m not violating the law. (No copyrighted music/video, kiddie porn, etc.). Don&#039;t penalize anyone because we&#039;re not using your video service, your telephony service, etc.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with your argument is that there&#8217;s no concrete definition of &#8220;excessive use&#8221;. Is downloading HD content excessive use? How about setting up a PC for remote access? What about using your internet connection for VOIP or video chat? What about downloading a Linux distribution? Or uploading a set of videos or an entire photo shoot?</p>
<p>As an interesting contrast, I purchased one of the first prepaid 3G devices from Virgin Mobile USA. Unlike traditional 3G data service, you pay for data by the MB (or GB). There&#8217;s no cap. When you exhaust your GB, you buy another pack. This is perfect for me since I don&#8217;t use it often, but when I do, I use it heavily.</p>
<p>My goals for ISPs are:</p>
<p>1) Be upfront and honest about the bandwidth and the costs. Tell me what I&#8217;m getting and how much it&#8217;s going to cost. A &#8220;new customer&#8221;  rate is great, but tell us the regular rate in clear print. (I know that rates may go up and plans may change, but at least tell us what the current rate is).<br />
2) No hard caps. Period. Warn me if I&#8217;m getting close to some limit, and tell me what it will cost me to exceed it.<br />
3) Let me run any service and upload/download any content up to my contracted bandwidth so long as I&#8217;m not exceeding my limits and so long as I&#8217;m not violating the law. (No copyrighted music/video, kiddie porn, etc.). Don&#8217;t penalize anyone because we&#8217;re not using your video service, your telephony service, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there needs to be any formal cap period, because there are already provisions for ISPs in their Acceptable Use Policy to deal with the most egregious cases of excessive use (into the gigabytes, running servers on residential accounts, etc.)  I agree Comcast&#039;s policy is probably the least nasty of the ones we&#039;ve encountered in North America (some CSRs will tell you to just buy a second residential account if you need more than 250GB and leave it at that), but once this kind of Cap &#039;n Tier system gets established, the limbo dance will begin, with lower and lower caps at higher prices.

We see that in Canada right now with Bell, for instance.

Our policy here is universal opposition to usage caps, but long time readers will know I have bigger fish to fry than Comcast.  I also agree that we&#039;re getting to the point where we need:

1) A public fiber network for every home, on which private providers can choose to offer service alongside a public municipal option if a community wants to offer one;

2) Robust regulation where monopoly/duopolies exist.

3) Some sort of carrot/stick approach to competition to provide some sort of benefit to operators that are willing to invade another&#039;s territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there needs to be any formal cap period, because there are already provisions for ISPs in their Acceptable Use Policy to deal with the most egregious cases of excessive use (into the gigabytes, running servers on residential accounts, etc.)  I agree Comcast&#8217;s policy is probably the least nasty of the ones we&#8217;ve encountered in North America (some CSRs will tell you to just buy a second residential account if you need more than 250GB and leave it at that), but once this kind of Cap &#8216;n Tier system gets established, the limbo dance will begin, with lower and lower caps at higher prices.</p>
<p>We see that in Canada right now with Bell, for instance.</p>
<p>Our policy here is universal opposition to usage caps, but long time readers will know I have bigger fish to fry than Comcast.  I also agree that we&#8217;re getting to the point where we need:</p>
<p>1) A public fiber network for every home, on which private providers can choose to offer service alongside a public municipal option if a community wants to offer one;</p>
<p>2) Robust regulation where monopoly/duopolies exist.</p>
<p>3) Some sort of carrot/stick approach to competition to provide some sort of benefit to operators that are willing to invade another&#8217;s territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Glockner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Glockner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed feelings about the Comcast cap.

I think a 250GB cap is a reasonable limit. We are heavy internet users at home - both my wife and I are full-time telecommuters. We use VPN, VNC. I download Linux ISOs and occasional HDTV content. We do some Skype video chat with distant relatives. I installed a router with Tomato firmware and discovered that our internet use is about 30-40 GB/month. I&#039;m sure we&#039;re above average but clearly we&#039;re far below the 250GB limit.

But here is the problem. First, no ISP should say that they have a limit without a mechanism for monitoring it. Most routers don&#039;t support bandwidth monitoring, and it&#039;s beyond the skills of most residential users. The ISP must be monitoring our use, and they should not be allowed to create a cap without disclosing the use levels.

Second, hard caps are not the answer. I don&#039;t have a problem with a 250GB limit, but publish a tariff for exceeding the limit. You don&#039;t have a right to unlimited electricity, natural gas or water. But you also know that you will be billed for your use.

FInally, so long as we have (virtually) no competition, I think it&#039;s time to treat ISPs as regulated utilities. Force them to publish a full rate schedule. Including tariffs for excessive use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about the Comcast cap.</p>
<p>I think a 250GB cap is a reasonable limit. We are heavy internet users at home &#8211; both my wife and I are full-time telecommuters. We use VPN, VNC. I download Linux ISOs and occasional HDTV content. We do some Skype video chat with distant relatives. I installed a router with Tomato firmware and discovered that our internet use is about 30-40 GB/month. I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;re above average but clearly we&#8217;re far below the 250GB limit.</p>
<p>But here is the problem. First, no ISP should say that they have a limit without a mechanism for monitoring it. Most routers don&#8217;t support bandwidth monitoring, and it&#8217;s beyond the skills of most residential users. The ISP must be monitoring our use, and they should not be allowed to create a cap without disclosing the use levels.</p>
<p>Second, hard caps are not the answer. I don&#8217;t have a problem with a 250GB limit, but publish a tariff for exceeding the limit. You don&#8217;t have a right to unlimited electricity, natural gas or water. But you also know that you will be billed for your use.</p>
<p>FInally, so long as we have (virtually) no competition, I think it&#8217;s time to treat ISPs as regulated utilities. Force them to publish a full rate schedule. Including tariffs for excessive use.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone help me get through the Comcast logic. So they tell you to use a 3rd party tool to monitor your bandwidth even though they have one in place already to monitor your usage but won&#039;t allow you to check your usage stats with that but only with the other 3rd party program. Also, they point you towards a 3rd party program yet won&#039;t support the assertions of that tool if that tool contradicts with Comcast&#039;s metering tool.

Am I missing something here? Sounds like a total load of BS.

You know, metering tools are really simple and Comcast saying they are &quot;testing&quot; theirs out is total BS also. Usenet premium server accounts have had metering tools for the longest time. It isn&#039;t rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone help me get through the Comcast logic. So they tell you to use a 3rd party tool to monitor your bandwidth even though they have one in place already to monitor your usage but won&#8217;t allow you to check your usage stats with that but only with the other 3rd party program. Also, they point you towards a 3rd party program yet won&#8217;t support the assertions of that tool if that tool contradicts with Comcast&#8217;s metering tool.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here? Sounds like a total load of BS.</p>
<p>You know, metering tools are really simple and Comcast saying they are &#8220;testing&#8221; theirs out is total BS also. Usenet premium server accounts have had metering tools for the longest time. It isn&#8217;t rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet is becoming a utility if not one already A 2 edge sword. The internet runs billions in commerce and company functions every day. Yes the electric, gas, water, bills show up every month based on how much you used. Turn the word internet into utility and then it can be based on usage no questions except one. Is the internet the same type of utility? There are many ways to get your Normal utilities turned back on because peoples lives at are stake and courts are busy enough. I can’t think of a single person dying from lack if internet service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet is becoming a utility if not one already A 2 edge sword. The internet runs billions in commerce and company functions every day. Yes the electric, gas, water, bills show up every month based on how much you used. Turn the word internet into utility and then it can be based on usage no questions except one. Is the internet the same type of utility? There are many ways to get your Normal utilities turned back on because peoples lives at are stake and courts are busy enough. I can’t think of a single person dying from lack if internet service.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Borrow the neighbors computer, use a public library, go without... that sort of thing.

I wonder what people would think if a customer didn&#039;t pay his electric or gas bill, got service shut off, but because it happened twice in six months, they could not have electricity or gas for one year as a punishment.

An interesting point to ponder, especially if you feel the Internet is becoming more of a &quot;utility&quot; and less of just a &quot;convenience.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Borrow the neighbors computer, use a public library, go without&#8230; that sort of thing.</p>
<p>I wonder what people would think if a customer didn&#8217;t pay his electric or gas bill, got service shut off, but because it happened twice in six months, they could not have electricity or gas for one year as a punishment.</p>
<p>An interesting point to ponder, especially if you feel the Internet is becoming more of a &#8220;utility&#8221; and less of just a &#8220;convenience.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Midnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papa Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So for those in monopoly areas, what are they to do when stripped of a necessary service for a year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So for those in monopoly areas, what are they to do when stripped of a necessary service for a year?</p>
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