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	<title>Comments on: Verizon Business Introduces Tiered Pricing&#8230; Based on Speed &#8211; On Demand Bandwidth</title>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ken</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4992</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I add speed is no issue... So I just put it in the background and let it
simmer. Data is Data not a big deal. I still get the same things in the end
no matter how long it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I add speed is no issue&#8230; So I just put it in the background and let it<br />
simmer. Data is Data not a big deal. I still get the same things in the end<br />
no matter how long it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ken</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4991</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Rob: What we need is Verizon here now. I don&#039;t care what 
Phil says. Phil and I both live in a golden area plenty of wire and 
Plenty of money and if it is being blocked by government or local 
bs that needs to be uncovered and brought to court. I won&#039;t 
Back down on this. There is no reason. That Tel com bill says 
Anybody can join the club and it includes Verizon. No one can
Tell me they get a better return in Pen Yan then they could get 
Here. Why do I see myself getting worked up and angry?
Stupidly and stubborn comes to mind along with politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Rob: What we need is Verizon here now. I don&#8217;t care what<br />
Phil says. Phil and I both live in a golden area plenty of wire and<br />
Plenty of money and if it is being blocked by government or local<br />
bs that needs to be uncovered and brought to court. I won&#8217;t<br />
Back down on this. There is no reason. That Tel com bill says<br />
Anybody can join the club and it includes Verizon. No one can<br />
Tell me they get a better return in Pen Yan then they could get<br />
Here. Why do I see myself getting worked up and angry?<br />
Stupidly and stubborn comes to mind along with politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by BrionS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by BrionS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BrionS</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4986</link>
		<dc:creator>BrionS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...lower your bill by turning down the line speed...&quot;

Sounds like lowering your water or power bill buy using less or turning the lights down lower (first setting of 3-way bulb for example).

Bad analogy I know, but it&#039;s actually much closer of an analogy in terms of user control than CBB is.  The theory about consumption based billing is that if you use less, you pay less but the reality is you can&#039;t keep from using some bandwidth (advertisements, viruses, spam, bots, modem chatter to/from the ISP). If your costs are predictable (i.e. not based on usage, but based on a flat rate for speed), then people can budget Internet access.

I&#039;d argue that if you&#039;re in a family on a budget and Internet changes from predictable to relatively unpredictable (due to CBB) then the Internet will become an unnecessary luxury for those households.  On the other hand, if the costs can be controlled and limited by simply subscribing to an unlimited (but slower) access plan, then the Internet remains in the budget, the ISP continues to get money it would have otherwise lost, and everybody&#039;s happy.

If in the future that family has more money in the budget, maybe the ISP will get a little more.

To me CBB vs. speed-based billing (SBB) is about the ISP imposing itself on your wallet vs. the ISP working with you to find an acceptable plan.

But I&#039;m just too &quot;customer focused&quot; as some CEOs have been accused of being by their board of directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;lower your bill by turning down the line speed&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like lowering your water or power bill buy using less or turning the lights down lower (first setting of 3-way bulb for example).</p>
<p>Bad analogy I know, but it&#8217;s actually much closer of an analogy in terms of user control than CBB is.  The theory about consumption based billing is that if you use less, you pay less but the reality is you can&#8217;t keep from using some bandwidth (advertisements, viruses, spam, bots, modem chatter to/from the ISP). If your costs are predictable (i.e. not based on usage, but based on a flat rate for speed), then people can budget Internet access.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that if you&#8217;re in a family on a budget and Internet changes from predictable to relatively unpredictable (due to CBB) then the Internet will become an unnecessary luxury for those households.  On the other hand, if the costs can be controlled and limited by simply subscribing to an unlimited (but slower) access plan, then the Internet remains in the budget, the ISP continues to get money it would have otherwise lost, and everybody&#8217;s happy.</p>
<p>If in the future that family has more money in the budget, maybe the ISP will get a little more.</p>
<p>To me CBB vs. speed-based billing (SBB) is about the ISP imposing itself on your wallet vs. the ISP working with you to find an acceptable plan.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m just too &#8220;customer focused&#8221; as some CEOs have been accused of being by their board of directors.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4985</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this idea.  Of course TW is never going to go with a plan like this.  They rather screw customers.  I need to more into an area that has FIOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this idea.  Of course TW is never going to go with a plan like this.  They rather screw customers.  I need to more into an area that has FIOS.</p>
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		<title>By: BrionS</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4984</link>
		<dc:creator>BrionS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re saying ISPs are actually *concerned* about their customer&#039;s well-being as opposed to their pocketbook?

Somehow I highly doubt anyone at Verizon or TWC or Comcast will lose sleep worrying about whether Joe the Plumber is subscribed to the right speed tier so as not to go broke.

Besides, I have no illusions that residential customers would not have nearly as fine-grained control over their bandwidth as enterprise customers, but the ability to change it from month to month might be acceptable.  You can make a change at any time, but whatever the speed settings are set to on midnight of your billing cycle is when it actually changes.  Or maybe it always gets set on the 1st of the month for self-service and you have to call customer support to change it mid-cycle for extenuating circumstances (like your kid boosted it to 15Mbps and you can&#039;t afford the bill if it stays that high all month).

Obviously there are kinks to work out and some protections need to come into play (perhaps it can warn you what your bill will be for the following month if the requested speed change is made -- easy to calculate because it&#039;s not usage-based), but generally speaking this is a MUCH better idea than consumption based billing.

With a little tuning I&#039;m sure I can find a speed that&#039;s right for me and as my finances allow and my demands increase I&#039;ll eventually bump up my connection speed.  I have friends I know right now who would start at 15 or 20Mbps and pay whatever rate (within reason) because they: run their business from home, play a lot of online games, watch Netflix or other streaming video online, simply want the fastest Internet they can afford, any number of other reasons.

On the other hand there will be plenty of people who will likely turn down their speed because it&#039;s not as important to them as a manageable bill.

As always realistic and acceptable pricing will be the key here, but speed-based tiers as opposed to consumption-based tiers are one thing many of us on this site (and elsewhere) have stated zero opposition to.

The current scheme is speed-based but with only two or three very course &quot;tiers&quot; if you will -- slow and cheap, fast and moderate, slightly faster and slightly pricey.  Creating a customized (or at least far more granular) tiering system based on speed is the only way I can see consumers accepting by and large.  Some accept the CBB plans for now because either they&#039;ve been convinced they&#039;re funding the high-use users down the street or they simply don&#039;t think they&#039;ll ever be affected (most likely because they have no real idea of how much they use and we still don&#039;t have a gas gauge for the Common Man to help put that into perspective).

Frankly I think the best option is provide the opportunity to customize your speed but still offer basic service levels as they do today.  People who aren&#039;t interested in tweaking their connection can pick a basic service level.  Others (the more technologically savvy or the &quot;heavy&quot; users) will more likely than not opt to tweak their connection to suit their lifestyle and their wallet.

In the end the ISPs win.  Their pricing scheme should be set up in such a way that they&#039;re not losing money (and if they are then their sales &amp; marketing team isn&#039;t worth anything) and customers feel they have control over their Internet spending without the stress and hassle of watching a meter and paying overage fees at a outrageous markup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re saying ISPs are actually *concerned* about their customer&#8217;s well-being as opposed to their pocketbook?</p>
<p>Somehow I highly doubt anyone at Verizon or TWC or Comcast will lose sleep worrying about whether Joe the Plumber is subscribed to the right speed tier so as not to go broke.</p>
<p>Besides, I have no illusions that residential customers would not have nearly as fine-grained control over their bandwidth as enterprise customers, but the ability to change it from month to month might be acceptable.  You can make a change at any time, but whatever the speed settings are set to on midnight of your billing cycle is when it actually changes.  Or maybe it always gets set on the 1st of the month for self-service and you have to call customer support to change it mid-cycle for extenuating circumstances (like your kid boosted it to 15Mbps and you can&#8217;t afford the bill if it stays that high all month).</p>
<p>Obviously there are kinks to work out and some protections need to come into play (perhaps it can warn you what your bill will be for the following month if the requested speed change is made &#8212; easy to calculate because it&#8217;s not usage-based), but generally speaking this is a MUCH better idea than consumption based billing.</p>
<p>With a little tuning I&#8217;m sure I can find a speed that&#8217;s right for me and as my finances allow and my demands increase I&#8217;ll eventually bump up my connection speed.  I have friends I know right now who would start at 15 or 20Mbps and pay whatever rate (within reason) because they: run their business from home, play a lot of online games, watch Netflix or other streaming video online, simply want the fastest Internet they can afford, any number of other reasons.</p>
<p>On the other hand there will be plenty of people who will likely turn down their speed because it&#8217;s not as important to them as a manageable bill.</p>
<p>As always realistic and acceptable pricing will be the key here, but speed-based tiers as opposed to consumption-based tiers are one thing many of us on this site (and elsewhere) have stated zero opposition to.</p>
<p>The current scheme is speed-based but with only two or three very course &#8220;tiers&#8221; if you will &#8212; slow and cheap, fast and moderate, slightly faster and slightly pricey.  Creating a customized (or at least far more granular) tiering system based on speed is the only way I can see consumers accepting by and large.  Some accept the CBB plans for now because either they&#8217;ve been convinced they&#8217;re funding the high-use users down the street or they simply don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll ever be affected (most likely because they have no real idea of how much they use and we still don&#8217;t have a gas gauge for the Common Man to help put that into perspective).</p>
<p>Frankly I think the best option is provide the opportunity to customize your speed but still offer basic service levels as they do today.  People who aren&#8217;t interested in tweaking their connection can pick a basic service level.  Others (the more technologically savvy or the &#8220;heavy&#8221; users) will more likely than not opt to tweak their connection to suit their lifestyle and their wallet.</p>
<p>In the end the ISPs win.  Their pricing scheme should be set up in such a way that they&#8217;re not losing money (and if they are then their sales &amp; marketing team isn&#8217;t worth anything) and customers feel they have control over their Internet spending without the stress and hassle of watching a meter and paying overage fees at a outrageous markup.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4983</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This basic approach--speed-based tiers vs. volume-based tiers--makes a lot of sense.  In fact, I&#039;d go so far as to say that makes SO much sense that we can just about guarantee that TW won&#039;t adopt it unless forced to by law or competition.  

The best part of it, in my opinion, is that it eliminates the need for customers to constantly monitor their monthly running total of bandwidth used.  Even with some serious restriction, like a subscriber being limited to changing the speed setting twice per month, I would still consider this vastly better than what TW is planning for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This basic approach&#8211;speed-based tiers vs. volume-based tiers&#8211;makes a lot of sense.  In fact, I&#8217;d go so far as to say that makes SO much sense that we can just about guarantee that TW won&#8217;t adopt it unless forced to by law or competition.  </p>
<p>The best part of it, in my opinion, is that it eliminates the need for customers to constantly monitor their monthly running total of bandwidth used.  Even with some serious restriction, like a subscriber being limited to changing the speed setting twice per month, I would still consider this vastly better than what TW is planning for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith6612</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4982</link>
		<dc:creator>Smith6612</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something that providers have been doing for years. It&#039;s much better than PowerBoost, and unlike restricting how much data you use, this actually pleases people by allowing them to adjust their line speed on the fly, with them only paying for that extra speed ONLY when they need it, that plus they&#039;re not forced into anything as the user can control the line, and if you&#039;re only using the line for very light things you can lower your bill by turning down your line speed. Sounds good to me, that with no caps forced upon you as well. Just think about it. Take a resort for example. Many times, T1 speeds or even 6Mbps would satify the bandwidth needs for the entire building, but say a load of people come in, a technology convention takes place, or demand for internet is high on demand for days. Instead of the resort paying for a connection for a month or two that&#039;s excessively large for the normal demand, when the connection starts to be stressed out, just boost the speed, take on some extra charges for the boost, and then turn the speed right back down, without the hassle Residential customers typically deal with, with having extra charges for speed adjustments charged to your bill, sometimes waiting days/a week to get your speed adjusted, having to go through a billing department, etc. That, plus it saves the resort tons of money as well.

For those wanting the direct link to the burstable speeds and such, this should be it.

http://www.verizonbusiness.com/products/internet/dedicated/#details-ethernet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something that providers have been doing for years. It&#8217;s much better than PowerBoost, and unlike restricting how much data you use, this actually pleases people by allowing them to adjust their line speed on the fly, with them only paying for that extra speed ONLY when they need it, that plus they&#8217;re not forced into anything as the user can control the line, and if you&#8217;re only using the line for very light things you can lower your bill by turning down your line speed. Sounds good to me, that with no caps forced upon you as well. Just think about it. Take a resort for example. Many times, T1 speeds or even 6Mbps would satify the bandwidth needs for the entire building, but say a load of people come in, a technology convention takes place, or demand for internet is high on demand for days. Instead of the resort paying for a connection for a month or two that&#8217;s excessively large for the normal demand, when the connection starts to be stressed out, just boost the speed, take on some extra charges for the boost, and then turn the speed right back down, without the hassle Residential customers typically deal with, with having extra charges for speed adjustments charged to your bill, sometimes waiting days/a week to get your speed adjusted, having to go through a billing department, etc. That, plus it saves the resort tons of money as well.</p>
<p>For those wanting the direct link to the burstable speeds and such, this should be it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.verizonbusiness.com/products/internet/dedicated/#details-ethernet" rel="nofollow">http://www.verizonbusiness.com/products/internet/dedicated/#details-ethernet</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ken</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/30/verizon-business-introduces-tiered-pricing-based-on-speed-on-demand-bandwidth/#comment-4981</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brion: Some times I don&#039;t understand what was was written. Seems to me a business class service is the way to go. Something like $79. Sorry sometimes I can be real stupid You younger guys always can figure it out and I depend on you. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brion: Some times I don&#8217;t understand what was was written. Seems to me a business class service is the way to go. Something like $79. Sorry sometimes I can be real stupid You younger guys always can figure it out and I depend on you. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: preventCAPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>preventCAPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISP&#039;s won&#039;t give this control to residential consumers because the typical residential consumer don&#039;t understand bandwith and speed and gigs. All they really know is that faster is better until it hurts in the purse. Who wants yet another thing to worry about...

Wife: &quot;Honey, are you a sleep?&quot;
Husband: &quot;I was...&quot;
Wife: &quot;Did you turn off the lights downstairs?&quot;
Husband: &quot;Yes&quot;
Wife: &quot;Did you turn down the bandwith for the night too?&quot;
Husband: &quot;I don&#039;t remember&quot;
Wife: &quot;Well, someone should go check.&quot;
Husband: &quot;Yes, &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; should.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISP&#8217;s won&#8217;t give this control to residential consumers because the typical residential consumer don&#8217;t understand bandwith and speed and gigs. All they really know is that faster is better until it hurts in the purse. Who wants yet another thing to worry about&#8230;</p>
<p>Wife: &#8220;Honey, are you a sleep?&#8221;<br />
Husband: &#8220;I was&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Wife: &#8220;Did you turn off the lights downstairs?&#8221;<br />
Husband: &#8220;Yes&#8221;<br />
Wife: &#8220;Did you turn down the bandwith for the night too?&#8221;<br />
Husband: &#8220;I don&#8217;t remember&#8221;<br />
Wife: &#8220;Well, someone should go check.&#8221;<br />
Husband: &#8220;Yes, <i>someone</i> should.&#8221;</p>
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