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	<title>Comments on: Broadband Reports Exposes Cogeco Internet Overcharging Nightmare: &#8216;Their &#8216;Meter&#8217; Doesn&#8217;t Work!&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Stop the Cap! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Trust Us&#8221;: Cogeco&#8217;s Usage &#8220;Gas Gauge&#8221; Great For Measuring Profits, Not So Good for Measuring Actual Usage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop the Cap! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Trust Us&#8221;: Cogeco&#8217;s Usage &#8220;Gas Gauge&#8221; Great For Measuring Profits, Not So Good for Measuring Actual Usage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that customers say can be off from dozens to hundreds of megabytes every day.  Stop the Cap! also reported on this issue in June, with customers outraged that their monthly bill&#8217;s accuracy depends on a tool that is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that customers say can be off from dozens to hundreds of megabytes every day.  Stop the Cap! also reported on this issue in June, with customers outraged that their monthly bill&#8217;s accuracy depends on a tool that is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kestrelmas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kestrelmas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been running a meter since April, and have yet to see anything from Time Warner.  The second a gas gauge shows up on my bill, they&#039;re getting a call.

I like the local guys, but I&#039;ll be damned if I&#039;m going to tolerate an inaccurate gauge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been running a meter since April, and have yet to see anything from Time Warner.  The second a gas gauge shows up on my bill, they&#8217;re getting a call.</p>
<p>I like the local guys, but I&#8217;ll be damned if I&#8217;m going to tolerate an inaccurate gauge.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if their meter worked properly, just the idea of having to watch a meter to make sure my internet connection wasn&#039;t going over its limit sounds like something from out of a nightmare.

There are no caps or limits in countries like Japan, South Korea, and Sweden, so how exactly does Canada&#039;s ISPs justify themselves?

Seriously, Canada&#039;s government has totally failed its people in this case.  What a joke that companies can make so many billions in profit yet still hold hostage and abuse *an entire nation* of consumers.

Sure, a newly elected government might fix the situation, but no one&#039;s going to force these ISPs to give back the money they stole from people.  It&#039;s a sad, sad case of democracy falling to the selfish interests of the ruling party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if their meter worked properly, just the idea of having to watch a meter to make sure my internet connection wasn&#8217;t going over its limit sounds like something from out of a nightmare.</p>
<p>There are no caps or limits in countries like Japan, South Korea, and Sweden, so how exactly does Canada&#8217;s ISPs justify themselves?</p>
<p>Seriously, Canada&#8217;s government has totally failed its people in this case.  What a joke that companies can make so many billions in profit yet still hold hostage and abuse *an entire nation* of consumers.</p>
<p>Sure, a newly elected government might fix the situation, but no one&#8217;s going to force these ISPs to give back the money they stole from people.  It&#8217;s a sad, sad case of democracy falling to the selfish interests of the ruling party.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith6612</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith6612</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does remind me of how HostGator sells their 1TB Disk space (probably the entire server&#039;s drive), unmetered bandwidth package. Fill up that 1TB and you&#039;ve basically got the server to yourself, and of course that goes for a boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does remind me of how HostGator sells their 1TB Disk space (probably the entire server&#8217;s drive), unmetered bandwidth package. Fill up that 1TB and you&#8217;ve basically got the server to yourself, and of course that goes for a boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you took your business elsewhere.  A &quot;one time&quot; credit for a problem on their end hardly inspires confidence.  We&#039;ve had good results with Layered Tech, Textdrive and Slicehost.  1and1 and GoDaddy work for domain names, but web hosting with either is problematic if traffic ever spikes.  I&#039;ve steered completely clear of the &quot;oversellers&quot; like Dreamhost, Bluehost, Host Gator, and most of the others that you&#039;ll find all over those suspect &quot;top 10 webhosting&quot; lists that live off the affiliate income they earn when someone signs up.

If a website ever becomes popular on one of those hosts, they cut you off for overusing their capacity.  That&#039;s why those traffic and disk space allowances seem so high - you are usually thrown out before you come close to nearing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you took your business elsewhere.  A &#8220;one time&#8221; credit for a problem on their end hardly inspires confidence.  We&#8217;ve had good results with Layered Tech, Textdrive and Slicehost.  1and1 and GoDaddy work for domain names, but web hosting with either is problematic if traffic ever spikes.  I&#8217;ve steered completely clear of the &#8220;oversellers&#8221; like Dreamhost, Bluehost, Host Gator, and most of the others that you&#8217;ll find all over those suspect &#8220;top 10 webhosting&#8221; lists that live off the affiliate income they earn when someone signs up.</p>
<p>If a website ever becomes popular on one of those hosts, they cut you off for overusing their capacity.  That&#8217;s why those traffic and disk space allowances seem so high &#8211; you are usually thrown out before you come close to nearing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve mentioned this before, but let me drag it into the conversation again: The implementation of the metering is likely to be a HUGE hassle for consumers, far more than many people are assuming.

My reason for saying this is simple: I had a nightmarish run-in with Earthlink, which hosts my web site.  My normal monthly bill is $20.  Then one month some time back I found that they had charged me $139 for a single month, claiming I had gone way over my monthly transfer allotment.  I checked their official gas gauge, and it said I was just under my limit for the month.  I called CS and wound up having an incredibly frustrating conversation with one of their reps.  He kept insisting that I agree to monitor my usage and recognize that I was responsible for overages, and I kept telling him that I did monitor it (which I had), and that according to THEIR numbers I had not gone over their sacred limit.

The conversation got louder and more pointed, and went in circles until he agreed to roll back the extra $119 charge just this one time--and then insisted yet again that I agree to the terms mentioned above.

This is the point we need to drive home to the mainstream consumers: Tiered service levels and bandwidth limits results in a major, ongoing hassle for the consumer.  The company will screw up the billing and metering, and even if they don&#039;t, the average customer has a constant chore of watching the household&#039;s usage, month in and month out.  I am convinced that this is the real cost they want to impose on consumers: They want it to be such a huge inconvenience that customers won&#039;t even consider watching online media and getting within 20% of their monthly limit.

Communicate the reality of living with tiered service and caps to the average customer, and I guarantee that the uproar the next time TW tries to impose this new system will be much louder than it was last time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned this before, but let me drag it into the conversation again: The implementation of the metering is likely to be a HUGE hassle for consumers, far more than many people are assuming.</p>
<p>My reason for saying this is simple: I had a nightmarish run-in with Earthlink, which hosts my web site.  My normal monthly bill is $20.  Then one month some time back I found that they had charged me $139 for a single month, claiming I had gone way over my monthly transfer allotment.  I checked their official gas gauge, and it said I was just under my limit for the month.  I called CS and wound up having an incredibly frustrating conversation with one of their reps.  He kept insisting that I agree to monitor my usage and recognize that I was responsible for overages, and I kept telling him that I did monitor it (which I had), and that according to THEIR numbers I had not gone over their sacred limit.</p>
<p>The conversation got louder and more pointed, and went in circles until he agreed to roll back the extra $119 charge just this one time&#8211;and then insisted yet again that I agree to the terms mentioned above.</p>
<p>This is the point we need to drive home to the mainstream consumers: Tiered service levels and bandwidth limits results in a major, ongoing hassle for the consumer.  The company will screw up the billing and metering, and even if they don&#8217;t, the average customer has a constant chore of watching the household&#8217;s usage, month in and month out.  I am convinced that this is the real cost they want to impose on consumers: They want it to be such a huge inconvenience that customers won&#8217;t even consider watching online media and getting within 20% of their monthly limit.</p>
<p>Communicate the reality of living with tiered service and caps to the average customer, and I guarantee that the uproar the next time TW tries to impose this new system will be much louder than it was last time.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madoffism is par for the cable company course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madoffism is par for the cable company course</p>
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		<title>By: BrionS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrionS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure Cogeco&#039;s botched &quot;gas gauge&quot; situation don&#039;t help TWC&#039;s case either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Cogeco&#8217;s botched &#8220;gas gauge&#8221; situation don&#8217;t help TWC&#8217;s case either.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may also recognize the fact the moment it does appear, it&#039;s like pouring their gasoline on our flame.  It will enrage consumers all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may also recognize the fact the moment it does appear, it&#8217;s like pouring their gasoline on our flame.  It will enrage consumers all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: BrionS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrionS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time Warner Cable&#039;s gas gauge doesn&#039;t work either.  Wait, what&#039;s that?  OH RIGHT...they haven&#039;t provided one yet despite their claims to do so &quot;very soon&quot; so people could get a feel for how much they use.

Maybe my understanding is wrong, but I was under the impression they were still rolling out the gauge as part of their re-education campaign to make it a softer blow when it comes up again but people at least have a way to see how much they &quot;actually use&quot;.

I&#039;ll (dis-)believe it when I see it (or more accurately when I compare their numbers to my own from my router behind their modem).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time Warner Cable&#8217;s gas gauge doesn&#8217;t work either.  Wait, what&#8217;s that?  OH RIGHT&#8230;they haven&#8217;t provided one yet despite their claims to do so &#8220;very soon&#8221; so people could get a feel for how much they use.</p>
<p>Maybe my understanding is wrong, but I was under the impression they were still rolling out the gauge as part of their re-education campaign to make it a softer blow when it comes up again but people at least have a way to see how much they &#8220;actually use&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll (dis-)believe it when I see it (or more accurately when I compare their numbers to my own from my router behind their modem).</p>
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