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	<title>Comments on: O Canada: Usage Caps, Pricey Slow Service Threatens Broadband Backwater Status for Entire Country</title>
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		<title>By: CloudWOmega</title>
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		<dc:creator>CloudWOmega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is how i see it, i have a 10Mbit line...  that gives me a 100gb cap... meaning i can only download for around 22.2222_ hours per month at full speed. oh yeah that&#039;s fair.  that is like buying a weekly newspaper...  but if you read more then the first page then they charge you extra.

if you buy a speed you should have that with no strings attached... the way they are running it we are not getting what we paid for.  its the same with tv... if you watch too much do they charge you extra? 

the only place paying for amount over speed is with electricity, and gas 

download caps are also unnecessary to keep the internet alive, if we all paid say $30 for premium, they would at least have $30,000,000+ in Toronto alone and breaking up the price to pay .. say they have 600 (there is prob more but then there is also ALOT more people in toronto then 1,000,000 people) staff in toronto... they could make $200 ,000 a per year salaries!  leaveing $20,000,000+ for makings new internet technologies and maintenance .... the download caps are just overkill for money grubbing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is how i see it, i have a 10Mbit line&#8230;  that gives me a 100gb cap&#8230; meaning i can only download for around 22.2222_ hours per month at full speed. oh yeah that&#8217;s fair.  that is like buying a weekly newspaper&#8230;  but if you read more then the first page then they charge you extra.</p>
<p>if you buy a speed you should have that with no strings attached&#8230; the way they are running it we are not getting what we paid for.  its the same with tv&#8230; if you watch too much do they charge you extra? </p>
<p>the only place paying for amount over speed is with electricity, and gas </p>
<p>download caps are also unnecessary to keep the internet alive, if we all paid say $30 for premium, they would at least have $30,000,000+ in Toronto alone and breaking up the price to pay .. say they have 600 (there is prob more but then there is also ALOT more people in toronto then 1,000,000 people) staff in toronto&#8230; they could make $200 ,000 a per year salaries!  leaveing $20,000,000+ for makings new internet technologies and maintenance &#8230;. the download caps are just overkill for money grubbing!</p>
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		<title>By: Stop the Cap! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Astroturfing: Pacific Technology Alliance - Another AT&#38;T (Among Others) Supported &#8220;Grassroots&#8221; Group</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/05/o-canada-usage-caps-pricey-slow-service-threatens-broadband-backwater-status-for-entire-country/comment-page-1/#comment-4683</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop the Cap! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Astroturfing: Pacific Technology Alliance - Another AT&#38;T (Among Others) Supported &#8220;Grassroots&#8221; Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wes S.</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/05/o-canada-usage-caps-pricey-slow-service-threatens-broadband-backwater-status-for-entire-country/comment-page-1/#comment-4530</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, so maybe I was being a little facetious.  I didn&#039;t think about it being DSL and only 1-3 Mbps.  I still stick to the fact that I pay too much as it is for broadband, and TWC just wants to make it worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, so maybe I was being a little facetious.  I didn&#8217;t think about it being DSL and only 1-3 Mbps.  I still stick to the fact that I pay too much as it is for broadband, and TWC just wants to make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Dampier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That figure represents an average for all accounts and speeds.  Remember, a lot of Canadians are stuck with DSL in the 1-3Mbps range, and pay less for that level of service.  Because Canada has a lot more wide-open spaces, a lot of customers rely on satellite TV for television, and DSL from the phone company for broadband.

Also, imagine living in a country where there is no escape from caps, at any speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That figure represents an average for all accounts and speeds.  Remember, a lot of Canadians are stuck with DSL in the 1-3Mbps range, and pay less for that level of service.  Because Canada has a lot more wide-open spaces, a lot of customers rely on satellite TV for television, and DSL from the phone company for broadband.</p>
<p>Also, imagine living in a country where there is no escape from caps, at any speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes S.</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/05/o-canada-usage-caps-pricey-slow-service-threatens-broadband-backwater-status-for-entire-country/comment-page-1/#comment-4527</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most Canadians now face a monthly broadband bill averaging $45.65 U.S. per month before taxes/fees.  That’s more than $15 higher than the average fee paid by Americans.  Canadians also belong to the dubious club of just four nations where virtually all providers impose paltry usage caps averaging 60GB per month (Belgium, Australia and New Zealand are the others).&quot;

Wait a second...  $45.65 which is $15 higher than most americans pay?  I pay 49.99 here in Rochester (and that&#039;s not turbo)!  To make it worse, their average cap is 60GB which is lower than ALL of TWC&#039;s first round of caps!

Even as #28, might be worth moving to Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most Canadians now face a monthly broadband bill averaging $45.65 U.S. per month before taxes/fees.  That’s more than $15 higher than the average fee paid by Americans.  Canadians also belong to the dubious club of just four nations where virtually all providers impose paltry usage caps averaging 60GB per month (Belgium, Australia and New Zealand are the others).&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a second&#8230;  $45.65 which is $15 higher than most americans pay?  I pay 49.99 here in Rochester (and that&#8217;s not turbo)!  To make it worse, their average cap is 60GB which is lower than ALL of TWC&#8217;s first round of caps!</p>
<p>Even as #28, might be worth moving to Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Gunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Gunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

TWO Thumbs Up!

Thanks for making me laugh today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>TWO Thumbs Up!</p>
<p>Thanks for making me laugh today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadians? Nice? Have you SEEN a hockey game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadians? Nice? Have you SEEN a hockey game?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea these pro-cap businesses usually use Canada as the, &quot;See, it works there so there is no need to worry about it working here. You guys are worrying about nothing!&quot; Canadians really need to start getting a backbone and speak up.

In the US:

People, I think the best thing we can do next to getting your local representatives involved, is to start contacting the companies that would be affected by these caps and get them on board. If we inundate their main office with letters urging them to get involved, I believe they will. A lot of people do not know what these ISP&#039;s are trying to do. I try to educate as many as I can but something needs to be done nationwide like advertising. If we got enough companies against the cap involved, we might be able to get them to help leverage the cost of advertising. Think about it, if we get businesses on the anti-cap side, then those &quot;free market&quot; idiots won&#039;t have a argument. 

But if all else fails, we can have Al Gore get involved. I mean, come on, the guy created the internet. Or we could get G.W. and tell the cable companies how they have &quot;misunderestimated&quot; us. Sorry. thought I would inject a little humor. :-) Politicians, you gotta love them. 

Disclaimer:

Please don&#039;t take the above political humor seriously. It could be detrimental to your health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea these pro-cap businesses usually use Canada as the, &#8220;See, it works there so there is no need to worry about it working here. You guys are worrying about nothing!&#8221; Canadians really need to start getting a backbone and speak up.</p>
<p>In the US:</p>
<p>People, I think the best thing we can do next to getting your local representatives involved, is to start contacting the companies that would be affected by these caps and get them on board. If we inundate their main office with letters urging them to get involved, I believe they will. A lot of people do not know what these ISP&#8217;s are trying to do. I try to educate as many as I can but something needs to be done nationwide like advertising. If we got enough companies against the cap involved, we might be able to get them to help leverage the cost of advertising. Think about it, if we get businesses on the anti-cap side, then those &#8220;free market&#8221; idiots won&#8217;t have a argument. </p>
<p>But if all else fails, we can have Al Gore get involved. I mean, come on, the guy created the internet. Or we could get G.W. and tell the cable companies how they have &#8220;misunderestimated&#8221; us. Sorry. thought I would inject a little humor. <img src='http://stopthecap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Politicians, you gotta love them. </p>
<p>Disclaimer:</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take the above political humor seriously. It could be detrimental to your health.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be one big difference between Canada&#039;s broadband battle and the impending U.S. battle......U.S. consumers are not near as nice!  They&#039;ve seen how we react to them testing the waters, and I&#039;m sure they know it won&#039;t be as easy as it was in Canada.

Oh and a quick glance at Roger&#039;s earnings showed what I suspected:

Additions to property, plant and equipment for Cable Operations (which includes Internet service)
Three months ended March 31, 2008  $121M
Three months ended March 31, 2009  $104M
That&#039;s a 14% decrease in capital expenditure

Operating Revenue for the Internet service component of their Cable Operations
Three months ended March 31, 2008  $166M
Three months ended March 31, 2009  $186M
That&#039;s a 12% increase in operating revenue

&quot;The year-over-year increase in Internet revenues for the three months ended March 31, 2009, primarily reflects the 6% increase in the Internet subscriber base combined with increased ARPU resulting from Internet services price increases made during the previous twelve months and incremental revenue from charges for additional usage for customers who exceed prescribed monthly gigabyte allowances.&quot;

This CLEARLY shows that Rogers is not using the cap overage fees to offset the cost of service, but rather purely as a revenue generating scheme.  I doubt we&#039;d see a much different balance sheet here in the U.S.

http://www.rogers.com/cms/pdf/en/IR/QuarterlyReport/2009-Q1_Results-Release.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be one big difference between Canada&#8217;s broadband battle and the impending U.S. battle&#8230;&#8230;U.S. consumers are not near as nice!  They&#8217;ve seen how we react to them testing the waters, and I&#8217;m sure they know it won&#8217;t be as easy as it was in Canada.</p>
<p>Oh and a quick glance at Roger&#8217;s earnings showed what I suspected:</p>
<p>Additions to property, plant and equipment for Cable Operations (which includes Internet service)<br />
Three months ended March 31, 2008  $121M<br />
Three months ended March 31, 2009  $104M<br />
That&#8217;s a 14% decrease in capital expenditure</p>
<p>Operating Revenue for the Internet service component of their Cable Operations<br />
Three months ended March 31, 2008  $166M<br />
Three months ended March 31, 2009  $186M<br />
That&#8217;s a 12% increase in operating revenue</p>
<p>&#8220;The year-over-year increase in Internet revenues for the three months ended March 31, 2009, primarily reflects the 6% increase in the Internet subscriber base combined with increased ARPU resulting from Internet services price increases made during the previous twelve months and incremental revenue from charges for additional usage for customers who exceed prescribed monthly gigabyte allowances.&#8221;</p>
<p>This CLEARLY shows that Rogers is not using the cap overage fees to offset the cost of service, but rather purely as a revenue generating scheme.  I doubt we&#8217;d see a much different balance sheet here in the U.S.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rogers.com/cms/pdf/en/IR/QuarterlyReport/2009-Q1_Results-Release.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rogers.com/cms/pdf/en/IR/QuarterlyReport/2009-Q1_Results-Release.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judy Gunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Gunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably why there&#039;s no Video Relay Services for the Deaf in Canada as it&#039;s also bandwidth intensive. 

And once again, none of the broadband companies have addressed the issue of Video Relay Services for the Deaf in the USA if there&#039;s capped bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably why there&#8217;s no Video Relay Services for the Deaf in Canada as it&#8217;s also bandwidth intensive. </p>
<p>And once again, none of the broadband companies have addressed the issue of Video Relay Services for the Deaf in the USA if there&#8217;s capped bandwidth.</p>
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