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	<title>Comments on: Time Warner Cable CEO Still Loves Cap &#8216;n Tier Approach to Internet Billing</title>
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		<title>By: Brion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If they were so darned worried about internet content disrupting their “core” video business, then they’d just not offer internet.&quot;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s realistic.  As you&#039;ve said elsewhere, Internet is their highest margin product (possibly on the order of 70%) and is increasingly the most important part of the all-in-one bundles of TV / Internet / Phone.  Dropping offering Internet service to save the video product would be supremely stupid.

The complex reality of their situation is that they have an expensive albatross of a video product that they&#039;d probably love to see succeed but rather see a trend away from traditional cable packages to online video.  At the same time, TWE - a related entity to TWC - has a ton of content that it wants to monetize through their video product so it would be stupid to get rid of video for that reason too.

TWC currently does offer some streaming video (for pay I believe) through their own portal, but as most people have not heard about it I suspect it&#039;s not very popular.  This service (along with their digital phone and other network-based services they offer) goes to show they are not truly concerned about bandwidth being limited or bottlenecked.  It&#039;s really all about finding a way to monetize content they don&#039;t own, and monetizing the free parts of the Internet in general.

Why give something away for free when you can charge for it, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they were so darned worried about internet content disrupting their “core” video business, then they’d just not offer internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s realistic.  As you&#8217;ve said elsewhere, Internet is their highest margin product (possibly on the order of 70%) and is increasingly the most important part of the all-in-one bundles of TV / Internet / Phone.  Dropping offering Internet service to save the video product would be supremely stupid.</p>
<p>The complex reality of their situation is that they have an expensive albatross of a video product that they&#8217;d probably love to see succeed but rather see a trend away from traditional cable packages to online video.  At the same time, TWE &#8211; a related entity to TWC &#8211; has a ton of content that it wants to monetize through their video product so it would be stupid to get rid of video for that reason too.</p>
<p>TWC currently does offer some streaming video (for pay I believe) through their own portal, but as most people have not heard about it I suspect it&#8217;s not very popular.  This service (along with their digital phone and other network-based services they offer) goes to show they are not truly concerned about bandwidth being limited or bottlenecked.  It&#8217;s really all about finding a way to monetize content they don&#8217;t own, and monetizing the free parts of the Internet in general.</p>
<p>Why give something away for free when you can charge for it, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Brion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if you&#039;re a Road Runner Turbo customer you could probably save yourself $10/month without any noticeable drop in service to &quot;send a message&quot;.

That&#039;s what I plan on doing when I can remember to call during their 9-5 business hours (usually I&#039;m working or driving to/from work then).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you&#8217;re a Road Runner Turbo customer you could probably save yourself $10/month without any noticeable drop in service to &#8220;send a message&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I plan on doing when I can remember to call during their 9-5 business hours (usually I&#8217;m working or driving to/from work then).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hightower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hightower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that cable companies don&#039;t want people to watch videos online because it [insert your argument here] isn&#039;t quite right. While there may be a few bozos who don&#039;t get it, those aren&#039;t the bozos that make business decisions.

They realize that they make money by distributing content, and they want to distribute it by any means possible. If they were so darned worried about internet content disrupting their &quot;core&quot; video business, then they&#039;d just not offer internet. 

More importantly, they wouldn&#039;t be trying to figure out ways to stream network broadcasts live online. They see the potential in Hulu and Netflix (who also don&#039;t create content) and want to be in that business. 

Online, via fiber, via coax, via strings on cans, these companies predominantly make money by serving other people&#039;s content. If they&#039;re faced with a lower revenue model versus extinction, they&#039;ll take the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that cable companies don&#8217;t want people to watch videos online because it [insert your argument here] isn&#8217;t quite right. While there may be a few bozos who don&#8217;t get it, those aren&#8217;t the bozos that make business decisions.</p>
<p>They realize that they make money by distributing content, and they want to distribute it by any means possible. If they were so darned worried about internet content disrupting their &#8220;core&#8221; video business, then they&#8217;d just not offer internet. </p>
<p>More importantly, they wouldn&#8217;t be trying to figure out ways to stream network broadcasts live online. They see the potential in Hulu and Netflix (who also don&#8217;t create content) and want to be in that business. </p>
<p>Online, via fiber, via coax, via strings on cans, these companies predominantly make money by serving other people&#8217;s content. If they&#8217;re faced with a lower revenue model versus extinction, they&#8217;ll take the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not opposed to the current system and willing pay my bill each month. It is the threat of Cap &amp; Tier that I am concerned about. The day they institute Cap &amp; Tier is the day I cancel all of my service. Until then, we&#039;re good. No need to cancel if they maintain the status quo. OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to the current system and willing pay my bill each month. It is the threat of Cap &amp; Tier that I am concerned about. The day they institute Cap &amp; Tier is the day I cancel all of my service. Until then, we&#8217;re good. No need to cancel if they maintain the status quo. OK?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hightower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hightower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why go through all this whining? The refrain, &quot;Oooo, I&#039;m so mad, I&#039;m going to cancel my services!&quot; is repeated frequently... and yet you folks still have TWC. I don&#039;t get it. What&#039;s keeping you on?

I was fed up with ComCast&#039;s service and dropped them for AT&amp;T voice/DSL and satellite for video. I&#039;ve got 5 statics with AT&amp;T and enough speed to run a web server as well as doing my normal internet schtuff. 

My upstream isn&#039;t as fast, but I don&#039;t have to deal with ComCast&#039;s absolutely atrocious service anymore, and the price is lower. So....

Quitcherbitchin&#039;, as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why go through all this whining? The refrain, &#8220;Oooo, I&#8217;m so mad, I&#8217;m going to cancel my services!&#8221; is repeated frequently&#8230; and yet you folks still have TWC. I don&#8217;t get it. What&#8217;s keeping you on?</p>
<p>I was fed up with ComCast&#8217;s service and dropped them for AT&amp;T voice/DSL and satellite for video. I&#8217;ve got 5 statics with AT&amp;T and enough speed to run a web server as well as doing my normal internet schtuff. </p>
<p>My upstream isn&#8217;t as fast, but I don&#8217;t have to deal with ComCast&#8217;s absolutely atrocious service anymore, and the price is lower. So&#8230;.</p>
<p>Quitcherbitchin&#8217;, as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 14:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speed will become ever more important in the coming years as online video services take off. I think most customers are concerned with speed. Almost everyone I know has the top of the line speed. A lot of gamers want the extra boost to help keep up with the competition plus they can run their own servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speed will become ever more important in the coming years as online video services take off. I think most customers are concerned with speed. Almost everyone I know has the top of the line speed. A lot of gamers want the extra boost to help keep up with the competition plus they can run their own servers.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time Warner poormouths while Glenn&#039;s being paid 300k a week</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time Warner poormouths while Glenn&#8217;s being paid 300k a week</p>
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		<title>By: Mazakman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazakman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 11:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I think that the cap and tier system is going to become part of the general landscape here in this country. Other providers may say that they are not considering it, but in the back rooms they are. 

As far as speed...with my DSL connection  running between 6 and 7 megs, I am watching strreaming video just fine. Everything works the same way as it did before when I did have Roadrunner a few weeks ago. Except I don&#039;t have the Speedboost gimmick and 9 megs regular download speed that I had with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I think that the cap and tier system is going to become part of the general landscape here in this country. Other providers may say that they are not considering it, but in the back rooms they are. </p>
<p>As far as speed&#8230;with my DSL connection  running between 6 and 7 megs, I am watching strreaming video just fine. Everything works the same way as it did before when I did have Roadrunner a few weeks ago. Except I don&#8217;t have the Speedboost gimmick and 9 megs regular download speed that I had with them.</p>
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		<title>By: artsal</title>
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		<dc:creator>artsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 11:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not blocked in Greeensboro.

That said, TWC will lose customers anyone that there is competition, and enough that it will make a difference.

I know this will pass if it happens, but I don&#039;t want it to happen.  The longer we can hold this stuff out, the more young voters happen, and the easier it will be to legislate these guys to hell so they can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not blocked in Greeensboro.</p>
<p>That said, TWC will lose customers anyone that there is competition, and enough that it will make a difference.</p>
<p>I know this will pass if it happens, but I don&#8217;t want it to happen.  The longer we can hold this stuff out, the more young voters happen, and the easier it will be to legislate these guys to hell so they can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: MK8</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 07:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting really frustrated with TWC lately. Obviously with a CEO so stupid they aren&#039;t going to let up. I&#039;ve officially started looking for realistic alternatives. I am outside Austin, and I can find Earthlink cable and CenturyTel DSL. I&#039;m not crazy about DSL as I expect it to be slower, and I am afraid Earthlink will cave in to TWC&#039;s pressure to cap as well. I&#039;ve asked Earthlink and while they say they aren&#039;t capping I don&#039;t know if I should believe them. Everyone seems to think Earthlink would comply with TWC and do the same. Does anyone think Earthlink is a safe option for the future? By the way, I&#039;ve just checked and I can access the pirate bay, I don&#039;t know if that means anything for you Scott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting really frustrated with TWC lately. Obviously with a CEO so stupid they aren&#8217;t going to let up. I&#8217;ve officially started looking for realistic alternatives. I am outside Austin, and I can find Earthlink cable and CenturyTel DSL. I&#8217;m not crazy about DSL as I expect it to be slower, and I am afraid Earthlink will cave in to TWC&#8217;s pressure to cap as well. I&#8217;ve asked Earthlink and while they say they aren&#8217;t capping I don&#8217;t know if I should believe them. Everyone seems to think Earthlink would comply with TWC and do the same. Does anyone think Earthlink is a safe option for the future? By the way, I&#8217;ve just checked and I can access the pirate bay, I don&#8217;t know if that means anything for you Scott.</p>
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