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	<title>Comments on: Frontier&#8217;s 5GB Usage Cap: Company Considering Exempting Preferred Partners, But Now Steps On The Net Neutrality Landmine</title>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good words.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be a little late to the game to bring this up for discussion, aside from this prefered partners plan dropping bowling balls on a landmine i believe we  may have forgotten about the logistics that will allow them to even employ this plan. Now pardon me if i&#039;m incorrect but to my current knowledge of the internet. The only way i know of for an ISP to currently separate that which is prefered traffic to not be added to the monthly alotment would be to employ deep packet sniffing which would enable them to see everything you&#039;re sending/recieving. There have been recent articles about NebuAds and another company one of which was recently deemed an illegal company. They too partnered with ISPs with an &quot;opt-out&quot; program that would use deep packet sniffing in order to track your internet usage habbits to provide a better more tailored ad experience to it&#039;s users. now i will work on updating later with links to the articles but my current knowledge of the US striking this business down had more to do with the deep packet sniffing that was involved and not the desire to provide better ads.

for anybody with further information on the subject my question for this would be can this be not aloud even under existing law that doesnt even pertain to the net neutrality issue they also plan to trample across

please comment
Brandon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be a little late to the game to bring this up for discussion, aside from this prefered partners plan dropping bowling balls on a landmine i believe we  may have forgotten about the logistics that will allow them to even employ this plan. Now pardon me if i&#8217;m incorrect but to my current knowledge of the internet. The only way i know of for an ISP to currently separate that which is prefered traffic to not be added to the monthly alotment would be to employ deep packet sniffing which would enable them to see everything you&#8217;re sending/recieving. There have been recent articles about NebuAds and another company one of which was recently deemed an illegal company. They too partnered with ISPs with an &#8220;opt-out&#8221; program that would use deep packet sniffing in order to track your internet usage habbits to provide a better more tailored ad experience to it&#8217;s users. now i will work on updating later with links to the articles but my current knowledge of the US striking this business down had more to do with the deep packet sniffing that was involved and not the desire to provide better ads.</p>
<p>for anybody with further information on the subject my question for this would be can this be not aloud even under existing law that doesnt even pertain to the net neutrality issue they also plan to trample across</p>
<p>please comment<br />
Brandon</p>
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		<title>By: Liz R</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a total of 12 days, 9 phone calls and speaking politely to 14 people, I have finally been let out of my DSL contract without penalty after trying to get a waiver (no dice) through the end of my current contract.  Well at least I got out, and the switch to just phone service will take place Friday.

So on that day I&#039;m back in the 20th century, dialing into a 56k line from another provider, using a local access number in the nearest town,  and walking to the mailbox for Netflix discs.     

I am proud of myself for slogging through the email switches and so forth, determined to cancel my contract and send a dollars-walking message, but I&#039;m also sad because I did like Frontier&#039;s service.

Yet I&#039;m mostly annoyed that Frontier seems to want to dance us backwards, and via this miniscule cap offers us a distorted picture of an internet of decades ago when video transfer was uncommon.

It&#039;s not right to tell me via a tiny cap that I can&#039;t rent or buy what I may want from the iTunes Store across the internet.    I am the one to decide where to buy my video content,  and I got a DSL account precisely to be able to use the iTunes Store for video acquisition via the net.   I did not expect to be limited to less than a movie a week of data transfer, surely. 

Well don&#039;t try to call me between 5 and 6am any more.  The single line phone will be blippin&#039; busy and I might be downloading one 4MB track of music now and then from iTunes!  

I hope Frontier ends up offering DSL tiers that make sense for people who&#039;ve actually sought out the internet of 2008 and are pushing it towards 2009 and beyond.   It&#039;s not going to happen when carriers and content providers build ideas for their futures in isolation from the aspirations and efforts of their customers.   The dialogues that are going on now are probably useful, but from the chaos of the past few weeks, it seems like they should have occurred years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a total of 12 days, 9 phone calls and speaking politely to 14 people, I have finally been let out of my DSL contract without penalty after trying to get a waiver (no dice) through the end of my current contract.  Well at least I got out, and the switch to just phone service will take place Friday.</p>
<p>So on that day I&#8217;m back in the 20th century, dialing into a 56k line from another provider, using a local access number in the nearest town,  and walking to the mailbox for Netflix discs.     </p>
<p>I am proud of myself for slogging through the email switches and so forth, determined to cancel my contract and send a dollars-walking message, but I&#8217;m also sad because I did like Frontier&#8217;s service.</p>
<p>Yet I&#8217;m mostly annoyed that Frontier seems to want to dance us backwards, and via this miniscule cap offers us a distorted picture of an internet of decades ago when video transfer was uncommon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not right to tell me via a tiny cap that I can&#8217;t rent or buy what I may want from the iTunes Store across the internet.    I am the one to decide where to buy my video content,  and I got a DSL account precisely to be able to use the iTunes Store for video acquisition via the net.   I did not expect to be limited to less than a movie a week of data transfer, surely. </p>
<p>Well don&#8217;t try to call me between 5 and 6am any more.  The single line phone will be blippin&#8217; busy and I might be downloading one 4MB track of music now and then from iTunes!  </p>
<p>I hope Frontier ends up offering DSL tiers that make sense for people who&#8217;ve actually sought out the internet of 2008 and are pushing it towards 2009 and beyond.   It&#8217;s not going to happen when carriers and content providers build ideas for their futures in isolation from the aspirations and efforts of their customers.   The dialogues that are going on now are probably useful, but from the chaos of the past few weeks, it seems like they should have occurred years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 days and counting until Frontier will lose my Internet and phone service after 6 years.  As is stated here, they have dug a big hole and cannot get out now.

Thanks for the good information and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 days and counting until Frontier will lose my Internet and phone service after 6 years.  As is stated here, they have dug a big hole and cannot get out now.</p>
<p>Thanks for the good information and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hopefully this email from frontier has been forwarded to the correct officials as you&#039;ve more eloquently put it something like this being aloud to fly would bring anarchy to the web completely crippling any web innovation.

i&#039;m currently working on redownloading all of my steam owned content from their servers as after the cap it will take me two months to get the games let alone factoring anybody else in the houses bandwidth use and my own normal consumption just from internet and playing plenty of video games

they effectively have a monopoly on my rural area in bradford county PA i believe they serve a few different small towns of which in mine i know the locally owned cable company barely reinvests enough of its profits to make television look nice let alone to add any sort of cable connection

and for all i know when push comes to shove i could probably drop frontier dsl but have the only local # for dialup access be frontier dialup.

do they really believe that all of these little hole in the wall towns like mine will produce the company more money once they just drop all of their city users as from what i&#039;ve read anybody that knows and has a choice has already dropped their service

i would also like to second the request from a prior article which would be a letter to the editor formatted piece about this that i could send to the area&#039;s newspaper so people can already be informed that frontier will be sending them propaganda in the mail. it&#039;s harder to make somebody realize it&#039;s propaganda after they have already seen it, alot of sheeple these days</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hopefully this email from frontier has been forwarded to the correct officials as you&#8217;ve more eloquently put it something like this being aloud to fly would bring anarchy to the web completely crippling any web innovation.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m currently working on redownloading all of my steam owned content from their servers as after the cap it will take me two months to get the games let alone factoring anybody else in the houses bandwidth use and my own normal consumption just from internet and playing plenty of video games</p>
<p>they effectively have a monopoly on my rural area in bradford county PA i believe they serve a few different small towns of which in mine i know the locally owned cable company barely reinvests enough of its profits to make television look nice let alone to add any sort of cable connection</p>
<p>and for all i know when push comes to shove i could probably drop frontier dsl but have the only local # for dialup access be frontier dialup.</p>
<p>do they really believe that all of these little hole in the wall towns like mine will produce the company more money once they just drop all of their city users as from what i&#8217;ve read anybody that knows and has a choice has already dropped their service</p>
<p>i would also like to second the request from a prior article which would be a letter to the editor formatted piece about this that i could send to the area&#8217;s newspaper so people can already be informed that frontier will be sending them propaganda in the mail. it&#8217;s harder to make somebody realize it&#8217;s propaganda after they have already seen it, alot of sheeple these days</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s getting more and more confusing from a customer service standpoint.  Today, my son called Frontier for a new apartment hookup and asked about the &quot;rumor&quot; of a 5Gb cap.  The customer service person told him that the cap was in place and being enforced.  Thinking that this was a misinformed person, his landlord called, got another customer service person, and was told the same thing.

Are they trying to drive new business away?  Is there main goal to have nothing but low usage e-mail users and everyone else should go away?

I then called customer service and was told they couldn&#039;t help me but they could transfer me to technical support.  They told me that the cap is not in place but they are looking into it and what the actual cap amount should be.  His words were &quot;It is coming.  We just don&#039;t know when and how much.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s getting more and more confusing from a customer service standpoint.  Today, my son called Frontier for a new apartment hookup and asked about the &#8220;rumor&#8221; of a 5Gb cap.  The customer service person told him that the cap was in place and being enforced.  Thinking that this was a misinformed person, his landlord called, got another customer service person, and was told the same thing.</p>
<p>Are they trying to drive new business away?  Is there main goal to have nothing but low usage e-mail users and everyone else should go away?</p>
<p>I then called customer service and was told they couldn&#8217;t help me but they could transfer me to technical support.  They told me that the cap is not in place but they are looking into it and what the actual cap amount should be.  His words were &#8220;It is coming.  We just don&#8217;t know when and how much.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://stopthecap.com/2008/08/12/frontiers-5gb-usage-cap-company-considering-exempting-preferred-partners-but-now-steps-on-the-net-neutrality-landmine/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example, I am a long-time DirecTV customer.  I am very satisfied with them.  Like Frontier partner Dish Networks, DTV is implementing Video on Demand (VOD) using a broadband connection to deliver content.  So I could possibly use my Frontier connection for Dish, but not competitor DirecTV.  Oops.  I think this is exactly the type of thing the FCC would be concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example, I am a long-time DirecTV customer.  I am very satisfied with them.  Like Frontier partner Dish Networks, DTV is implementing Video on Demand (VOD) using a broadband connection to deliver content.  So I could possibly use my Frontier connection for Dish, but not competitor DirecTV.  Oops.  I think this is exactly the type of thing the FCC would be concerned about.</p>
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